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Post by darthslater on Feb 27, 2010 12:05:06 GMT -5
Well I never knew these existed, and ALL Ox-Hearts should be PL I have many reasons for this and the main one is that Ox-Hearts usually have very wispy foilage and look like they are sick or dying and in need of water. Thanks to people like Spud who see the virtues of the PL, we now have plants that are Ox-Hearts and look healthy. If it were up to me, all tomatoes would be PL.
Another reason is that the vines are close to impossible to keep in a support situation, they are like rubberbands and very maleable thus making it a pain to support with anything less than Gorilla Glue.
Darth
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Post by spudleafwillie on Feb 27, 2010 14:31:30 GMT -5
Dean,
Little lucky Heart , Spudleaf 117, a PL variant of Russian 117, Craig's Potato Leaf, Byc'e Serdtse, Spudayellow Strawbery, Syrian Potato Leaf, a PL variant of Giant Syrian , Grightmire's Pride, are examples off PL Oxhearts that i can think of off the top of my head.
Others are Heshpole F6, a pl variant of Large pink Bulgarian, LeDoux Special,
I am sure there others too. I will check all my database for other PL oxheart varieties.
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Post by sorellina on Mar 2, 2010 11:35:52 GMT -5
Yugoslavian Heart, too.  |
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Post by GunnarSK on Jun 10, 2010 11:36:30 GMT -5
Dean, Little lucky Heart , Spudleaf 117, a PL variant of Russian 117, Craig's Potato Leaf, Byc'e Serdtse, Spudayellow Strawbery, Syrian Potato Leaf, a PL variant of Giant Syrian , Grightmire's Pride, are examples off PL Oxhearts that i can think of off the top of my head. According to Tatiana's Tomato Base, Grightmire's Pride is RL, and that is also the opinion of Poles who have grown out this variety. Of course that can all be caused by a common seed source, or this tomato may exist with two leaf types. |
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Post by carolyn137 on Jun 12, 2010 12:59:12 GMT -5
Yugoslavian Heart, too. Julianna, Yugoslavian Heart was RL when I received it from Yasha Crnkovic, from whom I also got the variety Crnkovic Yugoslavian, we named them together, so my question is when did Yasha Yugoslavian become PL? Carolyn |
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Post by darthslater on Jun 12, 2010 13:06:06 GMT -5
Yugoslavian Heart, too. Julianna, Yugoslavian Heart was RL when I received it from Yasha Crnkovic, from whom I also got the variety Crnkovic Yugoslavian, we named them together, so my question is when did Yasha Yugoslavian become PL? Carolyn I have both of these in Pl carolyn, I got them from Spud. |
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Post by tomato on Jun 30, 2010 23:58:09 GMT -5
Tastiheart is also a good potato leaf heart tomato. It is derived from a variant Large Pink Bulgarian plant I grew in 2002.
Tomato
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Post by michelle8 on Aug 6, 2010 20:07:25 GMT -5
Where can I get seed for the PL hearts?
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Post by GunnarSK on Aug 15, 2010 9:33:53 GMT -5
Where can I get seed for the PL hearts? Of course as with other tomatoes, that's a good question. Either they are available commercially or they're not, in which case you can announce your wishes here or try your own luck with breeding. Apart from the ones already mentioned in this thread, it appears that Craig's Potato Leaf is heart-shaped. |
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Post by eyolf on Dec 9, 2010 23:54:26 GMT -5
I sent the Heshpole F6 to Bill with the admonishment that it was possibly not stable. Last Year I offerred Heshpole F8's on SSE. I did not list it this year, but will honor requests if you have last year's catalog. I'll even send seeds free if you want it badly enough, but please send a card telling me how you liked it.
Heshpole, short for HEart-SHaped POtato LEaf, comes from a chance cross in "Tomato"'s garden. It is large (to 20 oz) Pink, mostly heart-shaped (occasional oddballs) and does have the wispy habit. The original seeds yield literally dozens of mostly similar types in growing out; I selected for earliness and especially for the ability to reliably set fruit in cool-night conditions first, size and flavor next. Tomatoe was interested in a specific type of interior plan in the fruits, and his Tastiheart, from the same parent lines, exhibits that interior plan.
I am not a habitual poster on gardening forums, but will return here a few times to look for comments or requests. By late February, time will be at a premium again.
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Post by darthslater on Dec 10, 2010 0:18:18 GMT -5
Eyolf, I have assumed Bills collection and would be very intrested in getting the latest version, I always keep notes.
Dean Slater A.K.A Darth
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Post by carolyn137 on Dec 10, 2010 8:36:15 GMT -5
Where can I get seed for the PL hearts? Of course as with other tomatoes, that's a good question. Either they are available commercially or they're not, in which case you can announce your wishes here or try your own luck with breeding. Apart from the ones already mentioned in this thread, it appears that Craig's Potato Leaf is heart-shaped. As some here know there currently is a long thread about hearts at Tville and I just wanted to comment on the variety Craig's Potato Leaf. Gunnar nicely traced where that came from and cited info from Spud posted here and it was something that appeared after a cross with Bisignano #1, which Spud correctly said sometimes does form heart shaped fruits. As far as I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, there is no stable Craig's Potato Leaf ( the Craig being Craig LeHoullier, the name given to what Spud grew as Craig's Potato Leaf by Spud) that exists. Prue is another variety that's stable but it too often forms variable fruit shapes on a single plant as does Bisignano, including hearts. So if it crossed with a PL there might be another way to get a PL heart. I'll be growing Heshpole, whatever the current version is, next season and another person has what he thinks is either a red or pink PL heart, the story is a bit confused as he himself says, and plans to send me about 1000 seeds or so and I guess I'll be offering it in my seed offer at Tville for those who have room to do large growouts. No final decision on that one yet until he and I PL a bit more. The thread started with someone asking if there were any PL hearts b'c he likes hearts but knows that most have wispy, droopy foliage and he has problems with sunscald and so asked if anyone knew of any PL heart varieties. I'm a heart lover big time, as many folks know, so I'll grow what I can when I can, RL, PL, you name it. ;D Carolyn |
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Post by darthslater on Dec 10, 2010 8:48:05 GMT -5
Carolyn, no disrespect intended, but many here don't or can't go to Tville, so we have no idea whats there.
Darth
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Post by carolyn137 on Dec 10, 2010 9:22:07 GMT -5
Carolyn, no disrespect intended, but many here don't or can't go to Tville, so we have no idea whats there. Darth I understand that Dean, which is why I'm sharing the major points and potential varieties here, b'c there are those here who are also members there and actually the major known tomato ones have been addressed here with eyeolf speaking to his Heshpole and Tastiheart was mentioned here as well. And I can't speak to anyone who prefers one message site over another when indeed that option is open to them. I read and sometimes post at several such sites b'c that's how I learn new things. Beyond that no one spoke of others that are even near being stable, viz my comment about the possible red or pink PL heart where the story is quite clouded right now. Yes, I prefer PL's myself, but I think it's wrong to assume and equate a PL variant of anything as compared with the original RL of that variety b'c of the way in which PL's can arise from RL's. And it's Keith I have to thank for some discussions several years ago on the possible molecular mechanisms that could do that. At the time I was holding out for only a single spontaneous mutation which would mean that all would be the same except for leaf form. And while I knew of the other mechanisms I knew of them only with bacteria and viruses and hadn't considered them in terms of a leaf form change with tomatoes. In other words, a PL variant of an original RL may have several genes that have changed depending on the molecular mechanism(s) involved and so taste and other traits can also be altered. Carolyn, who probably shouldn't have included that last bit about RL to PL, but I do think it's a point that's often overlooked when speaking of PL variants of RL's and well, this thread is about PL hearts.  |
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Dec 10, 2010 9:41:28 GMT -5
Dean, ] According to Tatiana's Tomato Base, Grightmire's Pride is RL, and that is also the opinion of Poles who have grown out this variety. Of course that can all be caused by a common seed source, or this tomato may exist with two leaf types. I just checked William Dam Seeds website, the original source for Grightmire's Pride and they say very little about this tomato except that it was brought from Yugoslavia by Fred Grightmire of Dundas, ON which is where the seed company has been since 1949. Seeds of Diversity Canada is even worse. The information in their Database of Canadian varieties is sketchy at best. The tomatoes developed at Ag Canada Research stations list disease resistance, parents in some cases and year of introduction. This is why it is so important to pass along seeds with the source they came from and the proper spelling of the name. But that's too much like work for the general population who, for the most part, don't even know who they traded with for a specific variety. |
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