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Post by darthslater on Dec 10, 2010 15:49:36 GMT -5
Carolyn, no disrespect intended, but many here don't or can't go to Tville, so we have no idea whats there. Darth I understand that Dean, which is why I'm sharing the major points and potential varieties here, b'c there are those here who are also members there and actually the major known tomato ones have been addressed here with eyeolf speaking to his Heshpole and Tastiheart was mentioned here as well. And I can't speak to anyone who prefers one message site over another when indeed that option is open to them. I read and sometimes post at several such sites b'c that's how I learn new things. Beyond that no one spoke of others that are even near being stable, viz my comment about the possible red or pink PL heart where the story is quite clouded right now. Yes, I prefer PL's myself, but I think it's wrong to assume and equate a PL variant of anything as compared with the original RL of that variety b'c of the way in which PL's can arise from RL's. And it's Keith I have to thank for some discussions several years ago on the possible molecular mechanisms that could do that. At the time I was holding out for only a single spontaneous mutation which would mean that all would be the same except for leaf form. And while I knew of the other mechanisms I knew of them only with bacteria and viruses and hadn't considered them in terms of a leaf form change with tomatoes. In other words, a PL variant of an original RL may have several genes that have changed depending on the molecular mechanism(s) involved and so taste and other traits can also be altered. Carolyn, who probably shouldn't have included that last bit about RL to PL, but I do think it's a point that's often overlooked when speaking of PL variants of RL's and well, this thread is about PL hearts. The more info on a subject the better, I say.
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Post by oneoftheearls on Jan 18, 2011 8:01:21 GMT -5
I'll be taking good notes because I have many of the PLs and hearts listed in this thread, many of which I thought were RL. I guess I'll know more in the spring at indoor starts. I also note that my 50 heart grow out section has quickly grown to 60.
I have attempted to sort the PL varieties into another ring binder.
I also have the hearts in a separate section, hearts will trump PL in the sorting process and since many are listed as both RL and PL it will be a lesson in note taking and perhaps seed saving for variants.
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Post by summerhawk on Apr 3, 2011 7:14:19 GMT -5
This is a worthy thread that needs to be updated:) If anyone is growing PL hearts this 2011 growing season, would you please post pictures and discuss your thoughts? I am very interested and I am sure that others would be interested! Thank you
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fiogga
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Post by fiogga on Apr 4, 2011 8:46:43 GMT -5
Oxhearts are some of my favorites. I grow a number of them every year. I had a Teton De Venus throw out some PL's in the seedlings. I'm anxious to grow it out this year and we'll see what happens. I'm also a big PL fan and would love to grow more oxhearts that are PL. I'll keep you posted on the grow out.
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Post by GunnarSK on Apr 4, 2011 12:19:37 GMT -5
Maybe you should ask Carolyn at IDig or somewhere else, as she doesn't post here any longer, and she is the ultimate heart lover and very knowledgeable. In her last offer one of the positions was a potato leaved heart, "Kardia Karpos" as offered by Tormato (Gary) of TomatoVille.
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Post by summerhawk on Apr 4, 2011 13:54:43 GMT -5
Does anyone have photos of PL hearts that they have grown? Please post them and lets talk about them! Thanks
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Post by GunnarSK on Apr 4, 2011 14:37:58 GMT -5
Does anyone have photos of PL hearts that they have grown? Please post them and lets talk about them! Thanks There is more information and even pictures in the thread TOW-SPUDAYELLOW STRAWBERRY, which is current thanks to Michelle8.
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fiogga
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Post by fiogga on Apr 5, 2011 6:23:10 GMT -5
I'm trying a new PL oxheart this year that I got from Suze Anderson via SSE. It's called Striped Sweetheart, newly stabilized variety from the same line as Lucky Cross and Little Lucky. Red with orange stripes, 4oz., sweet flavor. I'm excited about this one. Seedlings are about an inch tall and look great.
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Post by summerhawk on Apr 5, 2011 23:50:48 GMT -5
I'm trying a new PL oxheart this year that I got from Suze Anderson via SSE. It's called Striped Sweetheart, newly stabilized variety from the same line as Lucky Cross and Little Lucky. Red with orange stripes, 4oz., sweet flavor. I'm excited about this one. Seedlings are about an inch tall and look great. Please post pictures when you are able:)! They sound nice... I would like to see them:)
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fiogga
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Post by fiogga on Apr 6, 2011 8:01:40 GMT -5
I'll take some photos and notes on the PL oxhearts. I'm hoping for some good tomato weather this year. I'm excited about trying Gildo Pietroboni, a new oxheart to me. I believe it's RL, I read about it on this site. When it comes to flavor, I believe oxhearts are unbeatable. Production and disease can be problematic but aah that taste makes it all worthwhile.
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Post by blane on Apr 6, 2011 9:23:02 GMT -5
Anybody game for a cross with OSU and a PL heart, to get some pink stripes? If so, what could we use? thanks- Blane
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Post by summerhawk on Apr 6, 2011 11:06:10 GMT -5
Anybody game for a cross with OSU and a PL heart, to get some pink stripes? If so, what could we use? thanks- Blane I was thinking the same thing! but stripes of a different color:)
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Post by spudleafwillie on Apr 19, 2011 10:47:03 GMT -5
fioggia, please contact Dean Slater (darth vader) re a trade of some Teton de venus PL variant seeds. i am sure he will send you some Spudayellow Strawberry PL seeds as a trade best regards Spudleaf willie aka Bill Malin
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tomc
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Post by tomc on Apr 19, 2011 15:07:01 GMT -5
Well I never knew these existed, and ALL Ox-Hearts should be PL I have many reasons for this and the main one is that Ox-Hearts usually have very wispy foilage and look like they are sick or dying and in need of water. Darth The lanceolate foliage you are disparaging is at least as reistant to late blight as you vaunted potato-leaves are. I concure it IS easy to over-water this droopy leaf plant. I think you need to find a better reason to dump on lanceolate-leaf tomatoes. Mm and FWIW I like potato leaf plants too.
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Post by darthslater on Apr 19, 2011 17:49:54 GMT -5
I think not Tom C, that is a very good reason along with the rubberband vines. Don't get me wrong I have an equal amount of RLs and like them, I just prefer the PLs.
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