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Post by frogsleapfarm on Jul 11, 2010 7:55:47 GMT -5
I grew six F2 plants last year from seed provided by PV. All were very tasty, and they varied in fruit size and color, pretty much as you would expect from the pedigree. However one was a mysterious medium sized fasciated striped bicolor - that quite frankly I questioned was a planting error on my part. However here's a photo of early fruit from a F3 plant, the parent of which was a large brown cherry F2. I have two other plants in this F3 family, and they look like large cherries. Has anyone else that has grown this pedigree found gs lurking in the background? Attachments:
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Post by jcm05 on Jul 11, 2010 19:53:55 GMT -5
Has anyone else that has grown this pedigree found gs lurking in the background? No. I have ten F3 plants from seeds saved from brownish cherries that I found last year on one F2 plant. |
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Post by PVP on Jul 12, 2010 5:35:28 GMT -5
First of all, thank you three guys in particular for growing out multiple plants of this cross. I don't have the space and last year only grew 4 plants. This year I have 2 plants from JayTee's bronze fruit seeds. One is a large cherry that I'll call 'black' because it has yellow skin and a reddish/brown or mahogany appearance. The other plant has normal size cherry fruit that stays gold/bronze when ripe with reddish/bronze only on the blossom end and distinct green, streaky shoulders and green gel remaining even when fully ripe. It looks kind of like wood or an edible nut and is very pretty, in my opinion, tastes very good and the foliage has the Sun Gold funky aroma.
I think this one plant definitely has gf but not gs. Darth and JayTee, I think Frog wants us to keep an eye out for green stripes (Wild Boar Farms looking stuff) in the skin rather than green flesh (chlorophyll retention in the flesh). I have not seen that yet myself.
Also, all four of my F2s, the 2 F3s and the original F1 fall into the cherry category without any fasciated fruit so far.
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Post by jcm05 on Jul 12, 2010 6:05:19 GMT -5
These are fruit from two F2 plants from 2009. The first are the ones I am growing F3s from this season. The latter was also an excellent tasting small saladette for which i also saved seed. I am hoping to find cherries like those from last year. The taste was fantastic. As good or better then sungold. However, at this point so far only 2 of the 10 plants appear to be producing cherry-sized fruit. We will see in the weeks to come. I am still only 42 days from transplant.   |
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Jul 13, 2010 7:33:25 GMT -5
Here's the one that caught my attention last year. I have a dozen F3 plants from this F2 in the nursery this year. It is both striped and bicolor. Attachments:
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Post by PVP on Jul 13, 2010 7:52:18 GMT -5
I would have to say that if it came from ISxSG seed, then there had to be some stray pollen in the mix and from my end of it that could only have been Black & Brown Boar, Pink Tie Dye or Pork Chop. Those are the only Wild Boar Farms I've grown here at home.
The other possibility is mixed up seed. What else do you think could've happened, Frogs?
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Jul 13, 2010 14:46:48 GMT -5
I would have to say that if it came from ISxSG seed, then there had to be some stray pollen in the mix and from my end of it that could only have been Black & Brown Boar, Pink Tie Dye or Pork Chop. Those are the only Wild Boar Farms I've grown here at home. The other possibility is mixed up seed. What else do you think could've happened, Frogs? PV I'm perplexed, and thought about a seed mixup, but I planted this late, so it was in a group, and garden location by itself. Also it is a brown/red bicolor fruit, unlike anything I have grown. I did have a slug of WBF stuff last year however. If it was a seed mixup, the next generation will not segregate. I have 12 plants out of the next generation, and they appear to be segregating for fruit size, but it is too early to be definitive. If it was a spontaneous mutation, it would have happened the previous generation at your place, and and all of us would be seeing striped segregates in the F2/F3 - so this seems unlikely. I also saw the paper Mulio refers to, but I don't see the instability on the plant, or plant to plant in progeny. To me it is still a mystery ... but it will be solved. |
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Post by maf on Jul 3, 2011 11:18:46 GMT -5
To me it is still a mystery ... but it will be solved. Apologies for the necropost, but was the mystery solved? How did the growouts turn out last year? Any of them ongoing in 2011? (This is a very interesting thread, I wish it had continued.) |
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Post by jcm05 on Jul 5, 2011 5:45:26 GMT -5
I am growing 6 F3 segregates and 4 F4s this season looking for the magic that I found in 2009.
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Jul 5, 2011 17:20:19 GMT -5
Well, bad news. I never really figured it out. I had a dozen F3 plants of the striped F2, and they looked and tasted pretty similar. However they were all dull-normal compared with their mother. I dropped the project. I only have one F4 line still alive, and I doubt it will survive this year. For me this cross was wonderful in the F2, and then seemed to fade.
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Post by swampr on Jul 7, 2011 17:17:36 GMT -5
I grew four plants last year that were derived from jtcm's bronze cherry selection. they were all small 2" fruit, nothing especially tasty. I thought the redder fruit tasted the best of the four. They all were productive but susceptible to splitting.
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Post by jcm05 on Jul 7, 2011 20:39:05 GMT -5
Many of the 10 F3s i planted split as well.
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