TOW-DR.CAROLYN PINK 12-16-10

[darthslater]

Hello Tomato lovers!! Posting this week from Truth or consequences New Mexico!!
This weeks pic is Dr.Carolyn Pink, in honor of a new found friend.
This one is a stumper, some say it is not stable, some say it is, but most agree it is very tasty!! I suppose someone may have more info on this one and perhaps a nice picture.
If anyone would like to chime in it would be welcome.

[sgtdraven]

I grew it along with Dr.Carolyn after that same friend recommended it back last summer.I liked both alot surprisingly and plan to plant more of each this year.

[PVP]

Would someone please give the chronologic progression of Dr. Carolyn's through all it's various expressions?

Like, did it come originally from Galina's, which is potato leaf (PL), yellow cherry, and then change through various fruit colors and leaf shapes, such as pink, white, green with yellow epidermis, green with clear epidermis, etc.?

Please give all the variety names, flesh colors, epidermis colors, and leaf forms for each expression.


pv

[carolyn137]

Dec 17, 2010 8:23:05 GMT -5 PVP said:

Would someone please give the chronologic progression of Dr. Carolyn's through all it's various expressions?

Like, did it come originally from Galina's, which is potato leaf (PL), yellow cherry, and then change through various fruit colors and leaf shapes, such as pink, white, green with yellow epidermis, green with clear epidermis, etc.?

Please give all the variety names, flesh colors, epidermis colors, and leaf forms for each expression.


pv

That someone would be me PV and you darn well know that. ;D And I can't tell you how many times I've done it, but I suppose not here at TTG.

Bill McDorman was the first to go to Siberia after the doors were open and brought back a lot of great varieties. Craig LeHoullier and I bought seed for every one, split the seeds and the cost. And well I remember we were shorted on seeds for some varieties. This was back in the mid-90's I think, I didn't go back to check the exact date.

I was growing Galina's Yellow, one that Bill brought back, which is how it was originally called, loved that variety and saved seeds. The next year I put out quite a few of those F2 plants and got NO plants with PL foliage, as is Galina, and different plants had all cherries but in different colors such as red, salmon, pink, yellow and ivory.

From a genetic point of view I didn't know WHAT had happened, and still don't. The best of the lot was what I called Ivory Mutant, I just found the vial of those seeds when I recently went on a search and destroy mission for another variety.

At the same time Steve Draper in Utah was also seeing genetic instability with his purchased Galina seeds. He asked me to send him the best of what I had so I sent him the ivory cherry one, which had inherited some of the taste genes from Galina, IMO, and also was a huge vigorous indeteterminate.

When the next SSE Yearbook came out I was shocked, really, to see that Steve had named it Dr. Carolyn and listed it.

At first it was throwing some red fruited plants and then that stopped.

In the meantime an SSE member sent me seeds for what he had named Dr. Carolyn Pink, which he got out of a pack of Dr. Carolyn seeds purchased from Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. Back to this one a bit later.

Next thing I know Amy Goldman is telling me that she had a "green when ripe" (GWR) cherry from Dr. Carolyn, I don't know her seed source, and she had named it Green Doctors. I asked Keith if it was possibole to go from an ivory variety to a GWR and he said yes, and gave me the relevant info which I passed on to Amy, who used to be a good friend of mine.

Then Jeff Casey and Neil Lockheart in the same summer, about two years ago, got a clear epidermis mutation of GD, which does have an amber blush (yellow epidermis), and one other person whose name I can't remember. Jeff's GD seeds were from me and Neil's were from Amy.

So Jeff and Neil and I decided on the name Green Doctors Frosted (for the clear epidermis one), which I think is a good name for it b'c the fruits do look like frosted grapes. And I previously had trialed Verde Claro for Tom Wagner so knew what a clear epidermis should and does look like.

And this past summer Adam Gleckler called me on his cell to chat and noted that he too was getting some clear epi ones as well.

So who knows what GD or GD Fosted might do next? From the get go there was something about Galina's that I never understood as to what I got with saved F2 seeds with many plants out there and all RL, not ONE PL, and ALL cherries.

So that's where we are with that.

The only instability I know of with the Dr. Carolyn Pink sent to me is a difference in fruit size. I'd save seeds from the larger fruited ones, still cherries but on the large size and get both small and larger fruits on different plants. Save seeds from the small fruited ones and the same thing would happen.

I thought the taste of the smaller ones was better but reports back from others are mixed as to which ones they think taste better.

Tania had this to say:

tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Dr._Carolyn_Pink

I know Darrel has said several times that he thinks it's a great variety and I guess opinions are really mixed on whether the small or larger pink fruits taste better.

Got it?

Did I leave out anything?

Carolyn

[PVP]

I think that covered about everything, Carolyn. Yes, I've heard Darrel express favorable opinions about one Dr. Carolyn Pink over the other. Maybe he can expand on that.

I just kind of remembered part of all that you just explained, and thought others would benefit from the whole story. It's quite interesting. Many of us have grown Galina's Yellow and really like it. I got my seeds from Spuds and never got any of the off types. And I've eaten the Green Doctors grown by Suze in TX and found it very "herby" almost "grassy" flavored. I think it would be great in salsa verde.

But all in all, these are some interesting expressions coming out of the original Galina's and I just thought everyone should know about them. Thanks for the full story. I took the liberty of increasing the font size in your post and spelling out epidermis a couple of times in case someone is unfamiliar with our abbreviated references.


pv

[GunnarSK]

Dec 17, 2010 12:42:39 GMT -5 carolyn137 said:

An SSE member sent me seeds for what he had named Dr. Carolyn Pink, which he got out of a pack of Dr. Carolyn seeds purchased from Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. Back to this one a bit later.

Next thing I know Amy Goldman is telling me that she had a "green when ripe" (GWR) cherry from Dr. Carolyn, I don't know her seed source, and she had named it Green Doctors. I asked Keith if it was possibole to go from an ivory variety to a GWR and he said yes, and gave me the relevant info which I passed on to Amy, who used to be a good friend of mine.

Then Jeff Casey and Neil Lockheart in the same summer, about two years ago, got a clear epidermis mutation of GD, which does have an amber blush (yellow epidermis), and one other person whose name I can't remember. Jeff's GD seeds were from me and Neil's were from Amy.

So Jeff and Neil and I decided on the name Green Doctors Frosted (for the clear epidermis one), which I think is a good name for it b'c the fruits do look like frosted grapes. And I previously had trialed Verde Claro for Tom Wagner so knew what a clear epidermis should and does look like.

And this past summer Adam Gleckler called me on his cell to chat and noted that he too was getting some clear epi ones as well.

So who knows what GD or GD Fosted might do next? From the get go there was something about Galina's that I never understood as to what I got with saved F2 seeds with many plants out there and all RL, not ONE PL, and ALL cherries.

So that's where we are with that.

The only instability I know of with the Dr. Carolyn Pink sent to me is a difference in fruit size. I'd save seeds from the larger fruited ones, still cherries but on the large size and get both small and larger fruits on different plants. Save seeds from the small fruited ones and the same thing would happen. Carolyn

I have seeds for Dr. Carolyn Pink (from Carol ) and will grow it next year. This year I tried Green Doctors Frosted from Carolyn's free offer at TV, and next may be Galina's.

[jcm05]

Dec 17, 2010 12:42:39 GMT -5 carolyn137 said:

Did I leave out anything?

Could you run through that one more time please?


;D

[tomato]

As a toss in re Dr. Carolyn Pink, the original seed I received about 8 years ago segregated quite a bit. I saved seed from one single plant that produced large fruit and had phenomenal flavor. Those seed and their offspring are the only Dr. Carolyn Pink that I grow.

I had an opportunity to taste a different strain of Dr. Carolyn Pink at Tomatopalooza a few months ago. It was tart, unbalanced, and downright unpleasant.

DarJones

[charley]

i would love to try some of the seeds that produced lage fruit and has phenomenal flavor.if you have any to spair