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Post by PVP on Mar 31, 2011 14:22:11 GMT -5
Pink Shekel = Spudakee (Cherokee Purple Potato Leaf, Malin) x Gigant-10 Novikowa (aka: Novikov's Giant), and this is the F4 generation. Seeds provided by Darth Mater, PKS Heirloom Tomatoes.
The F1 was produced in Evansville, Indiana, 2007. The F2 was grown in Evansville, 2008, and was selected as a regular leaf, large fruited, red flesh, clear skin "pink" tomato.
The F3 was grown in Copemish, Michigan at PKS Heirloom Tomatoes.
The F4 seed here was planted on 17 March, 2011, a total of 12 seeds. After culling a couple of deadhead/sticktights, I have 9 healthy seedlings and one that I might still cull out soon.
Of the 10 seedlings, one possitively shows potato leaf shape. So, Deano, the line isn't stable just yet, and may still show segregation at least for leaf shape.
Pictures next week when more true leaves become large enough for possitive I.D.
There are at least two gf-"purple" sibling lines out there in the process of segregating. One is in the possession of Frogsleap Farms, and the other in the possession of AmiDeutch.
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Post by bammer on Mar 31, 2011 17:13:11 GMT -5
Started some the other day, still no sign.
So is this putting off mostly RLs? Do you want me to just save the PLs?
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Post by PVP on Mar 31, 2011 17:20:04 GMT -5
Well, I don't know what pack you're planting from.
If you got the F2s, then you should get 25% PL and 25% gf purple, but not necessarily in the same seedlings.
If you got F3s from me, those apparently came from an RL pink that is still hetero for PL.
And if you got the F4s from Darth, same deal ... his F3s were RL but some of his plants apparently remained het. for PL.
I've been selecting for good plant health, good yield, large tomatoes, and good flavor, and don't really care what color or leaf shapes.
Frogs says a buddy of his has a gf-purple that's a really good one.
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Post by bammer on Mar 31, 2011 21:53:35 GMT -5
Got mine from Darth, not sure if their F3 or F4.
It sounds good though
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Post by PVP on Mar 31, 2011 22:01:26 GMT -5
I'm going to assume Dean sent you the F4 seeds that he sent me, and the one's we're calling Pink Shekel, because they're money in the bank. I'll also say that you should be looking for the shape and size of pink tomatoes that Dean showed in the pictures from last summer, and those came from regular leaf vines. But personally, if I got a good yielding great tasting tomato and it happened to be PL, so be it ... under a different name.
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Apr 2, 2011 10:31:07 GMT -5
From PV's cross I selected two purple/gf F2 plants in 2009, with ~100 F3 plants at a friend's farm in PA last year. I saved seed from 5 F3 plants each with fabulous huge purple beefsteak fruit, two with prominent fruit striping (Fs). I am really optimistic something very good will come from these lines, F4 plants of which are at several locations this year.
I used one of the F2 plants (SpudG) as a primary parent in a series of 2009 crosses with various striped parents (part of my F2 seed offer here this winter).
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Post by PVP on Apr 2, 2011 10:50:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure exactly why some of the plants make these "huge" blocky, round fruit. Neither of the parents did. But I got some really oversized, but very nicely shaped tomatoes in the F2, and Dean also did in the F3 from seeds I saved out of the larger F2s.
One F2 plant in 2009 made a few 1-pound plus fruit in clusters with 2 or 3 more normally sized 10 - 12 ounce tomatoes in the same clusters.
The F2s I saved also showed noticeably earlier yields than either parent (grown in same garden with both parents the following year).
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Apr 2, 2011 11:20:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure exactly why some of the plants make these "huge" blocky, round fruit. Neither of the parents did. But I got some really oversized, but very nicely shaped tomatoes in the F2, and Dean also did in the F3 from seeds I saved out of the larger F2s. One F2 plant in 2009 made a few 1-pound plus fruit in clusters with 2 or 3 more normally sized 10 - 12 ounce tomatoes in the same clusters. The F2s I saved also showed noticeably earlier yields than either parent (grown in same garden with both parents the following year). Yeah, early, big and tasty is what got my attention right from the start. In 2009 one of my selected purple F2's was the earliest beefsteak by several days. I crossed this to Stupice, and selections from that family are earlier and better tasting than the Stupice parent
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Post by PVP on Apr 2, 2011 12:00:58 GMT -5
Yeah, early, big and tasty is what got my attention right from the start. In 2009 one of my selected purple F2's was the earliest beefsteak by several days. I crossed this to Stupice, and selections from that family are earlier and better tasting than the Stupice parent This is very gratifying to me. Why? Sometimes we hear criticism of releasing germplasm for unstable F2s, F3s, etc. But my thoughts were to cross heritage-type varieties with outstanding characteristics, and then let tomato friends use the resulting F1, F2, and F3 seeds either to select their own lines, or to cross with other lines and develop more lines with outstanding characteristics. Frogsleap is one of the people who is doing just what I had hoped for. He's selecting F2s for crossing with other lines that have characteristics he wants to build on. Bingo! This procedure isn't new or unaccepted, since many professional tomato breeders use F1 and F2 plants as a parent donating specific traits when crossed to open pollinated lines with other known traits. For example, the F1 may donate disease resistance or heat tolerance. An F2 might be selected as a parent because it carries certain of the F1 traits, but has segregated for determinate, or dwarf, or potato leaf, or gf-green-when-ripe, etc., when the desired trait was masked in the initial F1. Thanks, Mark, for using these crosses in a productive and creative way.
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Post by jcm05 on Apr 2, 2011 12:24:29 GMT -5
Sometimes we hear criticism of releasing germplasm for unstable F2s, F3s, etc. Agree, but it all depends on who they are sent to and what the intentions are. Don't wanna take the thread too far off topic though.
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Post by grunt on Apr 2, 2011 16:59:46 GMT -5
Any chance of getting some seeds of the F2XStupice? Something earlier and larger than Stupice with better flavor than Stupice (shich I like) would be nice to chase.
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Apr 2, 2011 21:50:24 GMT -5
Bill - you've been generous in sharing some pretty nifty F2/F3 seed with folks. Thanks.
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Post by bammer on Apr 24, 2011 11:10:18 GMT -5
Dropped a dozen or so seeds from what Darth sent, Seeds looked good, only one came up, not sure what happened, this is the only variety this year that had a very low germination rate.
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Post by mygggeneration on Mar 16, 2016 23:41:37 GMT -5
I am revisiting this line as I found some seed in my stash. I started about 20 seeds of either F-3 or F-4 seed on 3-16-2016. I actually have some crosses in mind for this variety as I am sure other breeders have made their selections from this line already. I am not the best at seeing selections afar off from the initial cross. That being said I let those who are good at that do their thing and I look for more obscure selections. But accolades must be given to the original breeder as he did all the work. I am just building on the foundation that he laid. Thank you Bill.
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Post by mygggeneration on Mar 2, 2017 14:27:30 GMT -5
I am revisiting this line as I found some seed in my stash. I started about 20 seeds of either F-3 or F-4 seed on 3-16-2016. I actually have some crosses in mind for this variety as I am sure other breeders have made their selections from this line already. I am not the best at seeing selections afar off from the initial cross. That being said I let those who are good at that do their thing and I look for more obscure selections. But accolades must be given to the original breeder as he did all the work. I am just building on the foundation that he laid. Thank you Bill.
I got pretty sick in 2016; however, I managed to get one plant of Pink Shekel, RL, to fruition. But I got a Red 1 lb. 2 oz. Oxheart from it on 9-11-2016 at my buddy's horse farm garden plot. I did save seed from this one fruit. I have about 10-15 seeds from my original batch and plan to start a few more and make other selections this year... health and Lord willing. But often times I seem to start way more plants than I can take care of in my condition. If I were "normal" then I could easily take care of 500-1,000 plants but that is not the case so sometimes I get my seedlings in the ground and they get no care after that because it requires physical labor that I am not able to do. Normally I can pull weeds as they are just starting to show because it is easy and all I have to do is take a small stool to sit on. But it takes me 10 times [plus] as long to do the same amount of work as a normal, healthy person can do. I think super-disease resistance and tolerance to [sometimes] dry conditions are paramount to older people, and sick people, because they need to plant and forget, until harvest time with an absolute minimum of care. Let me see if I can find a picture.
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