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Post by darthslater on Sept 13, 2010 20:46:23 GMT -5
After seeing the work you guys have done and not gotten credit, I have of course with your permission, made a move. Gleckler Seedsmen has agreed to give credit and story to 3 tomatoes. 2 are the Grandpas from Spud, one is a stabilized cross, now called...Ta Da!!! Pink Schekel. Here is what I have after tearing down the row!! @ After all, the hebrews should get one!! Spuds stuff goes without saying is Pl Bliss, Pink Sheckel is a Novikov x Spudakee cross, there is also a black version. This one was the first ripe tomato in my garden and the taste is phenominal!! It is a very heavy producer if you dont have these tomatoes, dont fret they will be available commercially from Gleckler Seedsmen!! Even the brownthumbs can grow all these No Problem!!! Congradulations Spud, and Pap!! You both deserve it!!!
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Post by PVP on Sept 16, 2010 10:14:05 GMT -5
More info needed regarding Pink Shekel:
How many plants did you grow?
Did some plants produce more or larger tomatoes than others?
The bunch you show in the picture, are those Pink Shekel?
How many different plants are you saving seeds from?
Are you batching the seeds together or keeping them separate by plant?
Was there any difference in flavor vine to vine? Size?
Will you be sending me about a teaspoon full of seeds?
PV
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Sept 16, 2010 13:40:58 GMT -5
I've also made some interesting selections from this cross. Earliness is a common theme, but I headed down the black/purple road in the F2. What generation is Pink Shekel?
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Post by darthslater on Sept 16, 2010 20:38:53 GMT -5
More info needed regarding Pink Shekel: How many plants did you grow? Did some plants produce more or larger tomatoes than others? The bunch you show in the picture, are those Pink Shekel? How many different plants are you saving seeds from? Are you batching the seeds together or keeping them separate by plant? Was there any difference in flavor vine to vine? Size? Will you be sending me about a teaspoon full of seeds? PV 100, plants were all uniform, of size and tomatoes were uniform in shape, the flavor was very consistant, they all looked cloned. i have taken seed from 4 different plants..and yes!! And those are all Pink Schekel. This was VERY consistant.
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Post by PVP on Sept 16, 2010 21:15:19 GMT -5
They have a commercially appealing appearance. I'm very pleased with everything you describe and picture. Looks like a winner of a pink tomato. Hopefully, they will do well for Mr. Gleckler. Ferment a whoppin' batch of seeds please.
Mark, I believe these seeds should be F4. The tomatoes look identical to the F2 tomatoes I grew last year on the regular leaf plant from which I sent Dean the seeds. I got a couple of tomatoes that went a tad over a pound, which surprised me as I never got a pounder from Spudakee or Novikov's.
Also, I guess we lucked out it segregated RL homo, since I believe Dean says he got no PL sprouts. You (Mark), on the other hand, apparently have captured the PL purple. Do you have any pictures to demonstrate the difference?
PV
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Post by hillbillypie on Sept 16, 2010 22:57:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure I follow any of this. Is there another thread that explains this cross or the story behind it?
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Post by nolika on Sept 17, 2010 4:15:10 GMT -5
I would also like to know more about this varieties history, please
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Post by PVP on Sept 17, 2010 10:16:32 GMT -5
This tomato is Spudakee x Gigant-10 Novikova (aka, Novikov's Giant). I made the cross in 2007. The Spudakee plant received the pollen. The Novikov's Giant plant donated the pollen. Spudakee is potato leaf (PL) with purple fruit. Novikov's Giant is intermediate leaf ... looks somewhere in between PL and regular leaf (RL) and has pink fruit. The Spudakee seed for that 2007 plant came from Bill Malin, Spudleaf Willie, who got the variety from a friend of his in Ohio who found a potato leaf variant of Cherokee Purple in his garden circa 1993. Bill named the variety Spudakee. The seed for the Novikov's Giant came from Andrey Baranovski of Minsk, Belarus in a packet labeled "Gigant-10 Novikova" because that is the name assigned to the variety in Russia where it originated as an amateur gardener's tomato. Around here, amateur tomato growers already had been calling it Novikov's Giant, and people like Earl C. (in Cincinatti) and Bully in Detroit had distributed lots of seeds as Novikov's Giant. I grew out the F1 plant in 2008 and saved a massive amount of F2 seed of which I still have plenty. I sent out lots of F2 seed and grew a couple of F2 plants myself in 2009. The F3 seed I saved in 2009 was from a particularly nice regular leaf vine that had huge pink tomatoes. The people to whom I sent F2 seeds were people who are interested in occasionally looking at an unstable homemade cross. Darth got the F3 RL pink seeds this year. That's what makes the tomatoes you see in the picture at the top of the page. That's why I said my 2009 vine must've been homozygotous for RL 'cuz he got 100% RL vines. If my 2009 vine had been RL regressive, Darth would've gotten 25% PL sprouts and surely would've noticed that expressed among 100 transplants. Frogsleap got a batch of F2 seeds a year or two ago and he's been pursuing the potato leaf (PL) purple expressions. I think also I sent some seeds to Ami Deutch (Ted C.) in Germany. I think he said he got purple fruit and maybe some PL plants. Can't remember right now. That's about it on the history of the plant. Darth's appear to be relatively stable for pink and regular leaf. But you never know when a purple or a PL might pop up in the future from any batch of his seeds. Percentages are slim, but still exist. I say that because Novikov's Giant is intermediate leaf form to begin with, and I even got a true potato leaf vine from Andrey's seeds in 2007, so those recessive genes are lurking in there apparently. Personally, if I were Gleckler, I'd select for the same thing Darth is showing in his picture and cull the rest before selling seeds; because that is a great looking pink tomato with a lot of commercial appeal, in my opinion. Frogsleap has control of the line of purple PLs he's developing. When those become available, that is the line I'd want for a PL with purple fruit. BY THE WAY, Darth, I looked it up and apparently the American spelling is SHEKEL: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shekelpv
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Post by darthslater on Sept 17, 2010 11:44:08 GMT -5
Oh Schlitz!! I been spelling it the way I saw it online!! Oh well. We are american! ;D
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Sept 17, 2010 15:58:07 GMT -5
They have a commercially appealing appearance. I'm very pleased with everything you describe and picture. Looks like a winner of a pink tomato. Hopefully, they will do well for Mr. Gleckler. Ferment a whoppin' batch of seeds please. Mark, I believe these seeds should be F4. The tomatoes look identical to the F2 tomatoes I grew last year on the regular leaf plant from which I sent Dean the seeds. I got a couple of tomatoes that went right at a pound, which surprised me as I never got a pounder from Spudakee or Novikov's. Also, I guess we lucked out it segregated RL homo, since I believe Dean says he got no PL sprouts. You (Mark), on the other hand, apparently have captured the PL purple. Do you have any pictures to demonstrate the difference? PV Bill - I grew 8 F2 plants in 2009. They segregated for leaf type, skin color, fruit size, gf and the presence of lateral stripes (which I like). I moved two forward in 2010, both were purple fruited and early, with med/large beefsteak fruit. Both were RL. I had a hundred F3s of each to look at this year, and they were still segregating for fruit size, RL/PL and flavor. I have seed of five F4s for next year. They are both RL purple, large fruited and great tasting. 3/5 show lateral striping.
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Sept 17, 2010 16:02:15 GMT -5
here's a photo of one of the F3 keepers. Large fruited and meaty, dark purple skin w/ grn shoulders and lateral stripes. Attachments:
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Post by bammer on Sept 17, 2010 18:19:08 GMT -5
Any of you Folks want me to grow out a 10 or 20 ct row next season of your F2s, F3s, or F4s, I'll be absolutly more than happy to.
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Post by hillbillypie on Sept 20, 2010 11:16:36 GMT -5
Hey Papavic, that is without a doubt the very best response I have ever seen on any post on any subject on the internet. Wow! Thanks so much.
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Post by darthslater on Sept 20, 2010 11:50:28 GMT -5
Hey Papavic, that is without a doubt the very best response I have ever seen on any post on any subject on the internet. Wow! Thanks so much. Hes gifted.
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Post by hillbillypie on Apr 4, 2011 11:01:20 GMT -5
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