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Post by darthslater on Dec 25, 2010 6:19:15 GMT -5
This weeks pick is the many varieties of Brandywine. Glick's, Pawers, Joyces etc....I was wondering if any of you have grown any of the so called different strains of Brandywine, and have you noticed any real difference between them or say Sudduth's strain? With all the different ones out there it is hard to choose.
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Post by bammer on Dec 25, 2010 9:38:54 GMT -5
The first time I grew Brandywine was many years ago long before I knew there were different types of Brandywines, I do remember noticing that it was a low producer but probaby one of the best tasting that I grew at the time. The past 2 years I've grown Cowlicks Brandywine and "True Black Brandywine" Both of which are PLs and very good producers and Cowlicks has the best taste. Camo sent me seeds Of Cowlicks and I found an RL in the growout row and sent him seeds back, He grew it this past year and liked the taste better than the PL.
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Post by amideutch on Dec 25, 2010 11:47:30 GMT -5
Cowlick's is top dog. Thanks to Camo for bringing us this variety. The Orange maters are Maylor Roth's Orange. The 3 greens behind the maters are asian pears. Ami Attachments:
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Post by tomc on Dec 25, 2010 12:32:27 GMT -5
Without ever getting a full provinance, Brandywine is one I had several false starts in NH. If you get one of the laggards and live with a short season please try a different source for this cultivar.
As this thread avere's there be better cultivars out there.
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Post by bigdaddyj on Dec 25, 2010 18:53:44 GMT -5
I've grown Sudduth for many years and it is a good producer here yet many folks report it is stingy. Well, not here. Last year I grew two Cowlick's and two Sudduth's. Taste about even...both rich creamy good. Production about even. Cowlicks were a little rounder and smaller on average. More gravy boats with Sudduth but both will produce gravy boats and rounds. Sudduth seeds from Johnny's many years ago. Cowlick seeds via greyghost via Camo...
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Post by blane on Dec 25, 2010 20:55:13 GMT -5
I gave Darth, Rev and Spud a Cowlick to taste yesterday....should have seen their eyes light up! However, Darth claims that the Grandpa Willies taste better, I said..."Good!....as I will be growing these out in 2011" Like Ive mentioned many of time, the cowlicks are great, but I want to replace it with others that are much better, and being a member of PKS, I plan to set the bar higher with other types of Pinks! Heres 2010 Cowlick, ready to serve!
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Post by jcm05 on Dec 25, 2010 21:42:45 GMT -5
I've grown Sudduth for many years and it is a good producer here yet many folks report it is stingy. Well, not here. Not here either. It out-produces many varieties here as well and is always one of the best varieties in my garden.
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Post by nolika on Dec 26, 2010 2:02:00 GMT -5
You seem to like Sudduth a lot, but how early or late is it? My season is quite short because we always have BIG issues with late blight here in August but if we somehow make it through that period, the first frosts come in the early October. But I prefer varieties that give me a fair amount of fruit till mid August. We set our plants out in May...
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Post by blane on Dec 26, 2010 3:43:11 GMT -5
You seem to like Sudduth a lot, but how early or late is it? My season is quite short because we always have BIG issues with late blight here in August but if we somehow make it through that period, the first frosts come in the early October. But I prefer varieties that give me a fair amount of fruit till mid August. We set our plants out in May...[/quot
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Post by jcm05 on Dec 26, 2010 7:29:43 GMT -5
You seem to like Sudduth a lot, but how early or late is it? It is consistently 67-70 dtm for me here so not late at all. My orig source was TGS.
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Post by carolyn137 on Dec 26, 2010 18:28:06 GMT -5
Brandywine ( Pawers) is not a strain, it's a typo.
It was listed by PA WE R. whose real name is Roger Wentling from Pennsylvania.
Chuck Wyatt selected what he thought was an earlier Brandywine from his Sudduth and named it Joyces strain, but those who have grown it see essentally no difference from Brandywine ( Sudduth).
I've grown several of the strains of Brandywine and the fruits were malformed and scarce, but when Craig L sent me the Sudduth one that worked out very well for me.
I haven't grown Camo's Cowlick one b'c I have no seeds.
And you've still got the other Brandyws to discuss if you want to:
Red Brandywine Yellow Brandywine TGS Black Brandywine Weaver True Black Brandywine OTV Brandywine
Liam's brandywine, new in the TGS catalog, which isn't even a true Brandywine. Linda misunderstood some info given to her about this one. It's a selection, a large pink beefsteak. from the original natural X pollination between Brandywine and Tad, the same cross that led to Lucky Cross, Little Lucky, Striped Sweetheart and more. Linda expects to corrent the ionfo at the website, I think, but can't do that with the already printed catalog. it's too bad it was named Liam's Brandywine IMO, and not by Craig.
... and more varieties with Brandywine as part of the name are out there as well.
Carolyn, who notes that if you want any Brandywine histories there's a good article at Victory Seed. Craig did the family ones and I did the non-family ones.
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Post by PVP on Dec 26, 2010 19:31:55 GMT -5
Here is a link to the History of Brandywine, by Craig LeHoullier, as posted at Victory Seeds Company site, and to which Carolyn refers in her post just above this one: vintageveggies.com/information/craig_brandywine.html
The History of Brandywine represents a lot of research on Mr. LeHoullier's part, and I haven't found another background document that does a better job of documenting the Brandywine tomatoes.
That's not to say I agree with every notion presented in the History of Brandywine, particularly with regard to Yellow Brandywine, which then brings a few other "Brandywine's" into question, in my opinion. But that's not really important, and my own notions about whatever I happen to question have been posted elsewhere and are themselves based on quite a bit of unproven assumptions.
Also, the History of Brandywine could use an updated edition to include some of the more recent additions to the "Brandywine" family, whether they too are legit or bassed on as yet unproven anecdotes and assumptions. Again, no problem, as they say in the engineering business ... "best available data!"
It would be wonderful if Craig LeHoullier would do the updated edition, as his effort would again be top notch. But if he doesn't, maybe someone else could add any good information and photographs here at The Tomato Garden, bit by bit.pv
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Post by carolyn137 on Dec 27, 2010 8:20:20 GMT -5
Yes PV, the article does need updating and I was going to mention that above, but forgot to. I can mention it to Craig and see what we can do, or not, and see what happens. Right now he's buried in snow in Raleigh, the first time they've had snow at Xmas there in 66 years. Craig is from either R. I or Del, I can't remember which, and worked for years in Philly before moving south, so he knows how to drive in snow, but.......well, it's a mess down there. My brother in NC is about 20 miles N of Asheville in the mountains and I haven't heard from him yet. Last I knew he was going to send me some Indian Stripe seeds saved from the ones I sent him that were in the same line as the ones Donna sent me. And Fletcher, where Randy is is just below Asheville. I'm looking out at the backyard here and estimate maybe a foot and a half of snow. Not much wind yet, but that's predicted. Craig and I have been talking about several writing projects, let me rephrase that.... Craig is urging me to write my part of several possible projects, but so far I've resisted admirably. ;D Well, he hasn't done anything either. Carolyn, who will get plowed out and dug out eventually but isn't going anywhere anyway in the winter but it would be nice for the woman who gets my groceries for me to be able to get here. Freda brought the car battery inside on Friday ( car is in the garage) and It seemed heavy and I asked her how much it weighed and she said about 75 pounds. I was shocked, but then I haven't carried car batteries around for maybe 50 years.
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Post by bigdaddyj on Dec 27, 2010 9:50:19 GMT -5
Carolyn, please help me with my memory. And possibly your own. LOL Didn't I send you some Cowlick's seed? If not I have more I can send...
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Post by sunflowers on Dec 27, 2010 10:20:18 GMT -5
For years I grew the nameless Brandywine and Yellow Brandywine I got from TT. As I don't eat many tomatoes myself I can't comment directly on taste. But they never grew well for me here in Wi. Stingy on fruit and very crack prone if you got a rain anytime while they were coloring up.
When selling plants I would often stear newbies to an easier to grow variety.
But about 3 or 4 years ago a customer asked me to grow Sudduths plants for him. I planted out the leftovers and they grew much better than the nameless Brandywine. It really set lots of fruit for me.
About 2 years ago I got the Platfoot version of the yellow Brandywine. It also seems to grow better tho is still stinghy with fruit for me. But the flavor of the Platfoot was amaizing to me. Many yellows are rather blah, but Platfoot had a real nice zingy flavor. Not a red flavor which I don't like, but had something I can't describe other than zingy.
I had also grown the Black Brandywine when it first came out at TT. At that time it was potato leaved but I didn't know unstable. Unfortunately I didn't save seeds from the plants at that time and what most are selling now as "Black Brandywine" are not PL. Even what Sandhill has, while listed as PL in their catalog, is NOT PL when grown out. There is a long thread at TV from last year or earlier about the problems of Black Brandywine.
I was given the Weaver "True Black Brandywine" last year and saved some seeds, but never got a chance to compare it with my other BWs. I do have some RL Black BW seed as it's a nice black and grows well for me, just not really a brandywine in the true sence of a PL BW.
I also grew the Cowlicks and have a good amount of saved seed, but also never got a chance to compare it.
Carol
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