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Post by dld on Feb 21, 2010 7:24:53 GMT -5
Say you were to cross 2 cherry tomatoes like Black Cherry and Snow White, would you end up with just a cherry size in future grow-outs of those seeds?  |
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Post by camochef on Feb 21, 2010 11:55:59 GMT -5
Say you were to cross 2 cherry tomatoes like Black Cherry and Snow White, would you end up with just a cherry size in future grow-outs of those seeds? Richard, I had a Snow White plant that halfway through the season put out a branch of black cherry, so I had both growing on the same plant. and they were at opposite ends of the garden! I had never seen such an occurance before. Doesn't have anything to do with your question, but I thought you might find it interesting. They both came from a local nursury that year, and yes it was on the same plant, no budding or grafting, which I have done on fruit trees but never on tomatoes. I would think that the answer to your question would be, there's a great chance that you'd wind up with a cherry sized tomato, probably more towards the black cherry side. Camo |
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Post by jcm05 on Feb 21, 2010 19:32:53 GMT -5
Does that include F2?
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Post by raymondo on Feb 28, 2010 6:35:29 GMT -5
I think the only time you're likely to find it otherwise is if you were to cross, or even just grow out, a hybrid cherry which may have some big fruit genes lurking somewhere. I'm trying to create cherries from crosses between cherries and larger fruited varieties. The F2s are quite variable for fruit size in these cases.
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Post by jcm05 on Feb 28, 2010 8:10:09 GMT -5
I think the only time you're likely to find it otherwise is if you were to cross, or even just grow out, a hybrid cherry which may have some big fruit genes lurking somewhere. I'm trying to create cherries from crosses between cherries and larger fruited varieties. The F2s are quite variable for fruit size in these cases. Anything really promising Ray without giving up any secrets? ;D I found a cherry with tremendous potential in the F2 from a cross made by papavic. Here's a pic of the fruit. Not exactly the prettiest fruit in the world, but the taste was amazing.  |
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Post by raymondo on Mar 1, 2010 5:16:30 GMT -5
I like the look of those brownish cherries jctm05. What does IS stand for? I'm guessing SG is Sun Gold.
From a cherry/cherry cross (Galina's Yellow x Snow White) I've got two lines I want to pursue - a pale yellow PL cherry, effectively a PL version of Snow White, and a slightly bigger and more uniformly round golden yellow cherry, also PL (I like PL plants). The F1 from this cross was delicious with excellent contributions from both parents. The F2s weren't as impressive but I'll select for flavour later.
From a GY x Grub's Mystery Green I'm pursuing a green-when-ripe PL cherry. Not there yet. Maybe in a couple of seasons. The F2 from this produced small greens, small yellows and medium yellows. I've done a number of crosses using Galina's Yellow as seed parent but most are for future projects.
My amateur breeding interests extend to other veggies too - beetroot, winter squash and collards at the moment. I'm also playing around with orach though I don't have anything in particular I'm doing there. Just letting things cross and looking at the results.
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Post by jcm05 on Mar 1, 2010 8:02:33 GMT -5
I like the look of those brownish cherries jctm05. What does IS stand for? I'm guessing SG is Sun Gold. Indian Stripe x Sungold, yes. Good deal. Good luck with your endeavors. This will be my second year trying my hand at breeding. I did pretty well last year and managed to get 15 different crosses of which I'll be growing out the F1s from this season. Can't wait to get started. |
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Post by landarc on Mar 1, 2010 16:21:43 GMT -5
JTCM, how is the skin thickness on those cherries, it looks very thin? Is it yellow skinned?
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Post by PVP on Mar 1, 2010 17:01:44 GMT -5
Landarc,
I grew 4 vines of the Indian Stripe x Sun Gold (F2) myself in 2009 and got one bronze, one red, one pinkish gold, and a grassy green one. One had clear epidermis and the other three had yellow skin. One was slightly larger and flatter than the other three. All of mine were about the same size as shown in JayTee's picture. I'm hoping for some larger recombinations in the future, and if I don't get them soon, I will backcross to Indian Stripe.
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Post by PVP on Mar 1, 2010 17:14:51 GMT -5
Another cherry cross I made in 2007, or maybe it was 2006, was Juane Flamme' x Sun Gold. I sent F1 seeds to Australia and got a few F2 seeds back but didn't grow them out until 2009. The fruit size and shape looks more like the Juane Flamme' parent but had a different flavor.   In 2010, I think I'll go back to the F1 and grow it out myself because I'm looking for a smaller, fruitier tomato hanging in greater numbers on fishbone trusses. |
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Post by jcm05 on Mar 2, 2010 8:17:01 GMT -5
JTCM, how is the skin thickness on those cherries, it looks very thin? Is it yellow skinned? Yellow epidermis, yes. Skin was thin and cracking similar to sungold was apparent. I can live with the cracking as long as I can continue to find the excellent flavor in subsequent generations. |
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Post by sgtdraven on Apr 2, 2010 19:33:18 GMT -5
im interested in hearing more about the galina crosses
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Post by sunflowers on Apr 4, 2010 7:46:02 GMT -5
I can tell you that the F-1 variety Tomatoberry is a large-small cross.
I bought some seeds last year that were supposed to be Tomatoberry but when I grew over 50 plants, not a 1 had the small heart shaped fruit. Obviously an F-2 saved seed. From the looks of what grew, the cross was something small with an oxheart. Possibly even a more than just 2 way cross as I got a whole lot of different shapes. None remarkable so I didn't save any seeds.
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Post by jcm05 on Apr 4, 2010 8:33:45 GMT -5
It is highly unlikely that there are only two varieties involved in the breeding lines in most new commercial hybrids these days.
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Post by PVP on Apr 4, 2010 10:03:52 GMT -5
I agree with JayTee that most modern hybrid seed is the result of complex parentage in each of two true breeding lines used to make the final cross.
But I think it should be noted that when it comes time to produce the actual F1 seed that will be distributed as F1 seed from the professional breeder/vendor, that there were only two stable, true breeding lines involved in the cross ... regardless of how many parent lines fed into one or the other of the two "final" parents.
Otherwise there would be variable results in the seed sold as F1 hybrid seed. Just sayin' ... to avoid confusion about it.
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