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Post by darthslater on May 29, 2010 22:57:29 GMT -5
Well I am growing Cowlicks Brandywine and also My good friend Spud leaf Willies superior Grandpa Charlie and Grandpa Willie, Here are my results so far: Cowlicks..look identical in leaf shape plant size and color of plants to Brandywine OTV. New Brandywine? Questionable. Grandpa Charlie and Willie seem to be in competition..strong healthy plants with very vigoreuos growth, great color good leaf structure. Cowlicks: Pl lighter shade of green planted at the same time, and pale to the afore mentioned. Also bear a striking resemblence to OTV in every aspect. My Grandpas seem to be fool proof and stand high temps very well, I seem to have to baby the Cowlicks, they seem to be a little tempermental, as are the OTV. Plant for Plant only harvest will tell the tale. But my money is on the Grandpas and not just because of partiallity. Now we shall call a spade a spade as soon as all produce. But I have a sneaking suspision about Cowlicks.
This is just my opinion and does not reflect anyone elses on this board. I will keep you posted, and feel free to comment.
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Post by amideutch on May 30, 2010 2:45:20 GMT -5
Cowlick's I grew last year was anything but temperamental and seemed to thrive on heat. I had planted it in a 10 gal smart pot as a test of the smart pot and placed it in a mini 6'x8' greenhouse along with 4 other plants prior to setting out in the garden. Well one thing led to another and by the time I got around to moving them they were to large to get out the door and thats where they stayed the whole growing season. Plant vigor and fruit production were excellent with Cowlicks and the temperatures in the greenhouse got definitely higher during the June through August grow period than the ambient outside temps. This picture of the Cowlicks in the smart pot was taken 28-06-09. Ami Attachments:
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Post by klorentz on May 30, 2010 12:00:26 GMT -5
Folks know how much I bragged on Cowlicks. And like Ami's plants they where not temperamental. Who was your seed source Dean? Last year I think mine could have done better.But that was due to a cool wet summer . This year should be very different.
Kevin
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Post by darthslater on May 30, 2010 13:42:10 GMT -5
When I was still going to Tville there was an offer of Cowlicks and Brandywine Sudduths, that was my source...Dont get me wrong, the plants are fine, I just dont think they are what the hype is, and see absoulutly no difference from Bradywine off the vine,they are mirror images. My Grandpas are doing alot better though...and I am told taste better and have great production also. I guess I just dont buy the hype, I could be mistaken. But so far I see no difference between those and OTV. Again, I keep very good records and will note any difference between those and my Grandpas.
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Post by jcm05 on May 30, 2010 16:24:48 GMT -5
I hate hype. Especially from unreliable sources.
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Jun 1, 2010 19:24:35 GMT -5
Two days after transplanting, in one night, I lost about a dozen tomato seedlings to cutworms. Unfortunately Cowlicks BW was one of the casualties. So I'll use the collective analysis of folks here to tell me if it is a replant for 2011.
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Post by darthslater on Jun 1, 2010 21:05:15 GMT -5
Two days after transplanting, in one night, I lost about a dozen tomato seedlings to cutworms. Unfortunately Cowlicks BW was one of the casualties. So I'll use the collective analysis of folks here to tell me if it is a replant for 2011. Ahh, Master Frog. I did not say it wasnt worth growing...just that it is suspiciously similar to OTV!!! That is the problem with our craft, those that dont want recognition and deserve it, and those that seek it by any means or out of ignorance!! Confucious say...girl who ride 10 speed peddle butt all over town!!! I am seriously trialing this side by side with OTV, which I suspect are one in the same....they are similar to my Grandpas except for the fact that I KNOW the Grandpas are legit!!! Oh and not to worry, I will share any seeds that you lost!! |
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Post by amideutch on Jun 5, 2010 14:13:28 GMT -5
Well Darth got his Cowlicks seed from one of two people. Either myself or Greyghost (Darlene) as we were the only sources for the give away. Ami
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Post by camochef on Jun 6, 2010 8:13:21 GMT -5
I usually don't visit this forum anymore, as I don't have the time or desire, but after having a few others direct me to this thread, I just have to make a few comments.
I've grown every type of heirloom brandywine over the years, and if there is one that isn't anything like Cowlick's, it's Brandywine-OTV which is a natural cross between Yellow Brandywine and an unknown red parent.
Cowlick Brandywine is a Pink Brandywine, if it's to be compared to any others it would be Glick's Brandywine or Brandywine -Sudduth's. Both are very similar in taste but where Cowlick's excells is in production. It outproduces any of the Brandywines by considerable amounts.
It's mis-information that some on this forum are spreading, that keeps me away from here. Perhaps checking on facts before posting would be somewhat benificial to all.
And yes, I'm the one that started the cowlick craze about 4 years ago by distributing seeds to others that I thought would appreciate a truly great tomato! While Ami, didn't get his seed directly from me, he did get them from ELKWC, who was one of the first to receive them. GreyGhost has received them from me, for a couple years now.
Kevin didn't receive his from me directly either, but many thousands have over the years. I've never received any complaints from any of those that have grown them.
I also want to point out that there are better tasting tomatoes out there, after a bad year last year , Cowlick's dropped to #9 tastewise on my listings, but it was still #1 in production here in Southcentral Pa.
Before others ask, those that tasted better last year were:
Dana's Dusky Rose
Amazon Chocolate
Sandul Moldovan
Lillian Maciejewski's Poland Pink
Barlow Jap
Black Master
Mrs. Benson
JD's Special C-Tex
Now before you go looking for them to add to your planting lists, allow me to clarify by adding: Last year was a terrible year here for tomatoes as we suffered with cooler temperatures and constant rain until the month of August. All my favorite varieties were planted out early and didn't fair as well as those newer varieties that were planted out much later.
All listed were new to me varieties except for Amazon Chocolate and Sandul Moldovan which have proved themselves over the years no matter what the weather.
That said, I wish all a good gardening year and hopefully much success no matter what varieties they are growing.
Camo
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Post by jcm05 on Jun 6, 2010 8:15:26 GMT -5
It's mis-information that some on this forum are spreading Like what??? |
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Post by darthslater on Jun 6, 2010 13:52:08 GMT -5
My reference to similarity is based on plant color and leaf shape, there is no misinformation there. Also note that I said I will keep you posted. I do not make false references without some background search. Also the comparisson to the grandpas is based on vigor.
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Post by amideutch on Jun 6, 2010 14:27:26 GMT -5
I believe Camo's reference was to the following statement by Darth.
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Post by jcm05 on Jun 7, 2010 6:43:54 GMT -5
So how is someone's opinion "mis-information"  I am another one that doesn't give any credence to all of the different "strains" of all these other varieties that pop up year after year. IMO, its just another way for people to gain notoriety by being part of the history of a certain "new" variety. A variety which is probably only a re-naming of some other one that is already known. Now, obviously this "cowlicks" is not Brandywine OTV since it obviously is pink and not red, but am I supposed to believe that you or any of these other backyard gardeners from all these other tomato forums can tell the difference between this so-called cowlicks and sudduths or another generic pink, PL brandywine? Half of them don't know the difference between a pink and red fruit. I grew Sudduth's in 2008 and it was one of the most productive plants in my garden that year due to optimal temps for fruit set throughout June. I ended up harvesting around 25 fruit from that vine. Camo, you garden in PA. Who's to say that the same conditions didn't happen to you??? How many years have you grown this variety?? Now, I am not calling you a liar nor am I saying that you should not retain any credibility because apparently you have been growing tomatoes for quite a few years. I am simply saying that there is plenty of reason for debate because in actuality, there really are no "facts" on this variety along with most others in general. There are simply observations and interpretations. Peace... |
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Post by amideutch on Jun 7, 2010 13:31:03 GMT -5
I would just like to know how someone can have an opinion on a variety they have never grown? And then compare it to another variety that is totally different fruit color and say they are the same! I just call that running your mouth.
When camo first came across what is now Cowlicks he trialed it against every Brandywine out there over a period of 4 years before he came to the conclusion this tomato was special and named it Cowlicks which is the name of the nursery where he bought the original plant.
I have grown Brandywine Glicks and Sudduth, Ed's Millennium, Big Cheef and Cowlick's and for me Cowlick's is the best of the bunch in Taste and Productivity. Is it the best pink out there, No. For me Toedebusch Pink and Hege German Pink are right up there with Cowlick's. Just my opinion but at least I have grown and ate the fruit from these varieties to make that opinion. And to insinuate someone who finds a special trait in a given variety and gives it a name to differentiate it from the host variety is just doing it for the notoriety is just plain BS. Note in case "Eds MIllennium". Ami
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Post by darthslater on Jun 11, 2010 0:41:32 GMT -5
I guess you must have over read the part where it says Leaf color and plant shape, oh and Mr. Duetch...I grow thousands of tomatoes, not one or two plants..This is not my first dog and pony show thank you, so running of the mouth has no bearing on comparison, as usual your input is welcome. My comparison is based on observation, and I have grown MANY brandywine strains. I was also comparing vigor compared to the Grandpas I obtained from the well respected Spudleaf Willie. I am not out to dispute the fact that it may be a good tomato, however, it may be a renamed version of an already known species.
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I am another one that doesn't give any credence to all of the different "strains" of all these other varieties that pop up year after year. IMO, its just another way for people to gain notoriety by being part of the history of a certain "new" variety. A variety which is probably only a re-naming of some other one that is already known. Now, obviously this "cowlicks" is not Brandywine OTV since it obviously is pink and not red, but am I supposed to believe that you or any of these other backyard gardeners from all these other tomato forums can tell the difference between this so-called cowlicks and sudduths or another generic pink, PL brandywine?