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Post by darthslater on Nov 14, 2010 11:11:20 GMT -5
This weeks pick is a request, Flame, I think I read somewhere this is also known as Hillbilly, and Olympic Flame..I am not sure. I do know that it is a large bi-color and is either sweet or bland depending on conditions. If anyone would comment as to there sucsess or lack there of it, feel free to speak up!!
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Post by buck7762 on Nov 14, 2010 16:01:46 GMT -5
I'm going to grow Hillbilly, Hillbilly PL, and Purple Hillbilly in 2011. Very interested in members experience with any of these. For 2011, I'm short on garden space and long on tomato seed variety s.
Still looking for Flathead Monster if anyone has a handle on seed. I'd make room for this one.
Thanks,
Buck
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Post by carolyn137 on Nov 14, 2010 16:19:52 GMT -5
OK, I'm speaking up. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Here's the whole lurid history. When the Olympics were held in LA in 1976 Renee Shepherd introduced a variety she called Olympic Flame, which was a selection of an unknown variety made by Patty Buzynski at Seeds by Design in CA which is a wholesale/subcontract place. The US Olympic Comm said she couldn't use that name, so she changed it to Old Flame, same yellow/red bicolor. Then that got shortened to Flame by some folks so this one variety, which isn't that different than almost all of the red/yellow bicolors can be found under three different names. Then someone, I wish I knew who, statrted calling it Hillbilly Flame or something like that but that's very wrong b'c it has no known association to Hillbilly at all. either the RL or PL Hillbilly/ Then yours truly caused even more confusion when she sent the variety Jaune Flammee to Linda at TGS and was in a hurry and forgot to put the Jaune on the name, so Linda listed it as Flammee, or Flamee, or Flame, OK, I just looked and she has Flamme, but in catalogs before the 2010 one in parens she listed it as Jaune Flammee. When Inoted that she said she jsut didn't have room in the 2010 to do that. So sometimes folks use Flame for the original Olympic Flame one, a typical bi-color, and sometimes they use Flame to describe Jaune Flammee, which is not a bicolor at all. And I sure hope they aren't using Flame to describe Hillbilly b'c that's very wrong, is a recent boo boo by someone and all one has to do is to go back to some of the earliest SSE YEarbooks to confirm that the name Hillbilly is the correct and only name for that variety. Carolyn, who doesn't have time to edit, b/c.........
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Post by buck7762 on Nov 14, 2010 18:14:57 GMT -5
Thanks Carolyn'
Never heard Hillbilly called that, but I wouldn't know if it was an aka.
Buck
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Post by rintintin on Nov 15, 2010 17:01:31 GMT -5
The Olympics have been held in LA twice (1932, and 1984). The 1976 games were held in Montreal, Canada. Was the variety released in '76, or '84?
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Nov 15, 2010 17:55:03 GMT -5
I'm guessing that Ms Shepherd would have named the tomato after the L.A. Summer Olympics in 1984. I mean afterall, no one would consider Quebeckers Hillbillies, ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by carolyn137 on Nov 15, 2010 21:20:45 GMT -5
It was the summer Olympics in LA, so it must have been in 1984 now that I think about it.
So much for having my perfect memory tarnished. ;D
And now I know why I was remembering 1976. I was in Denver at the time, I had just had major surgery, my best friend's father had tickets to almost all the events in Montral as well as hotel reservations for him and his wife.
But then he was invited to London to be knighted by the Queen for the work he'd done selling steel mills to many countries and his daughter, Cindy, my friend, wanted me to go with her to Montreal.
I could hardly move after the surgery, she got annoyed, and I finally had my surgeon write her a note saying not only could I not drive a car for a month, but no way could I travel to Montreal for the Olympics.
Yes, 1976 does stand out in my mind. ;D ;D
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Post by jcm05 on Nov 16, 2010 6:52:38 GMT -5
I'm guessing that Ms Shepherd would have named the tomato after the L.A. Summer Olympics in 1984. I mean afterall, no one would consider Quebeckers Hillbillies, ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) True. Just Torontonians. ;D
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Nov 16, 2010 7:53:51 GMT -5
Some of them. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I mean look at Sorellina. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I'm almost a Buffalonian these days...only 10 minutes to the bridge
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Post by PVP on Nov 16, 2010 10:11:17 GMT -5
I've had very mixed results with "Hillbilly" type tomatoes. If anyone gets a really really good one, let me know and send be seeds. Thanks.
pv
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Post by GunnarSK on Nov 16, 2010 12:12:43 GMT -5
I have some seeds for this one, from Baker Creek, who calls them "Hillbilly or Flame Tomato" online and as far as I remember also on the packet. They didn't make it far after being planted in the ground, so I can't say anything.
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Post by carolyn137 on Nov 16, 2010 12:51:34 GMT -5
I've had very mixed results with "Hillbilly" type tomatoes. If anyone gets a really really good one, let me know and send be seeds. Thanks. pv If by Hillbilly type you mean the vast world of red/yellow bicolors, which I think you do, then I'd suggest: Virginia Sweets Big Rainbow Marizol Gold The first one is a somehat newer one which I think is better than most re taste and production, and the bottom two have been around for quite a few years, but I still think they both have great taste and production, compared with the 356.87 other red/yellow OP's out there. The problem I've had with these bicolors is consistency. Variety A in one season is sweet and fruity and the same variety the next season can be bland an mealy. I know they're very much influenced by weather, so I don't even bother with them much anymore. I mean how many varieties of this kind can one grow without moving on to other varieties? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I even turned down my brother's offer to get seeds for the family red/yellow one that his neighbor had grown for years. That's in NC, about 20 miles N of Asheville. Carolyn, who has no fresh seeds of the 3 above. Sorry.
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Post by flowerpower on Nov 17, 2010 7:21:23 GMT -5
I requested Flame as the TOW. Thank you, Darth. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I have seeds for the Big Rainbow & the Virginia Sweets. What I want is a tomato with a nice marbled pattern on the inside. I'm open as to color combos. I like "different" looking tomatoes. Round and red gets kinda boring after a while.
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Post by jcm05 on Nov 17, 2010 8:53:24 GMT -5
I requested Flame as the TOW. Thank you, Darth. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I have seeds for the Big Rainbow & the Virginia Sweets. What I want is a tomato with a nice marbled pattern on the inside. I'm open as to color combos. I like "different" looking tomatoes. Round and red gets kinda boring after a while. Have you grown Ananas Noire? Also, Lucky Cross is one of the best tasting fruit I've ever grown. So much so that I really haven't bothered growing any other bi-colors. ![](http://gallery.tomatocentral.com/d/784-2/ananasnoire2010_001.jpg)
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Post by carolyn137 on Nov 17, 2010 11:28:31 GMT -5
And I should have added Lucky Cross to my list above. I just plain forgot about it. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Carolyn
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