hillbillypie
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 23, 2011 12:13:21 GMT -5
...Green Giant? Love those seed trades. First time to grow this. Is this right?
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Post by jcm05 on Mar 23, 2011 12:23:38 GMT -5
First time to grow this. Is this right? Green Giant is PL.
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hillbillypie
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 23, 2011 12:35:08 GMT -5
I know. That is why I posted this pic. It didn't look like any PL I've ever had. I was hoping it had just started out weird. Dang. Too late to try again this year. I will just buy seeds from a reputable supplier from now on. Every seed I got in a trade from that other site, with the exception of Carolyn's seeds, turned out crappy. I wonder how many people are having their tomato garden ruined by out crossed seed or seed that didn't germinate because of poor saving techniques? Do you think this is a mutation??? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jcm05 on Mar 23, 2011 12:45:07 GMT -5
;D ;D Possibly spontaneous! ;D
Bummer. I hate when that happens. I have true GG seed I can send you for next year.
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Post by PVP on Mar 23, 2011 13:16:59 GMT -5
Every seed I got in a trade from that other site, with the exception of Carolyn's seeds, turned out crappy. You need to discuss this with Carolyn, because I think I remember her saying there were some early Green Giant types that in fact were regular leaf. I think they were either from Germany or North Carolina several years ago. Also, there is some dispute regarding clear skin or yellow skin, same sources. Mine have been potato leaf and clear skin so far. I'm trying to remember who I got the seeds from. It may have been Lee, but I think it was Tomato Growers Supply packed for 2008. And while I've had to argue the point occasionally, I know damn well mine are clear skin because when I cross them with a yellow skin variety, I get the expected clear skin segregation in F2s.
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Post by lee on Mar 23, 2011 14:51:55 GMT -5
Green Giant is PL and clear skin as PV indicates. I got mine from Craig L. who got his from Reinhard. Always PL/clear skin in mine and Craig's gardens. This is from Tomatopalooza[tm] 3 - the year Craig got the seeds from Reinhard. This is from TP 5 - It shows the pink blush on the blossom end, which is distinct from the amber blush on other GWR varieties. Lee
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Post by littleminnie on Mar 23, 2011 18:42:28 GMT -5
I had the same problem with Aunt Ginny's purple 2 of the 3 I started early have regular leaves. I don't think I screwed up in seeding or marking, so hmmm?
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Post by jbosmith on Mar 23, 2011 19:52:44 GMT -5
I wonder how many people are having their tomato garden ruined by out crossed seed or seed that didn't germinate because of poor saving techniques? Your plan may be ruined but your tomato garden is now a mysterious adventure!
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Post by summerhawk on Mar 23, 2011 20:00:34 GMT -5
It's all a mystery! Cool way to think jbo! I wonder what you've got hillbillypie? mmm?
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Post by blane on Mar 23, 2011 20:27:14 GMT -5
Mine are up, as of last weekend... but I ordered them from Glecklers- Jason, these are the ones I sent you!
Where Adam, got his?....Im not sure...
Ill keep yall posted on what type of leaf I get...
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Post by blane on Mar 27, 2011 10:51:06 GMT -5
Here we go....looks like Glecklers stuff is PL-
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 27, 2011 11:43:47 GMT -5
I just wanted Green Giant. I have enough projects for the year. A lot of what I am growing are segregating grow outs. It's possible that this is not a hybrid. Someone could have sent me seed for Green ________ or _________ Giant and I won't know until next year when I grow out the seed from these. It's not over either. I have more surprises. I have Stump of the World growing 75% PL and 25% RL. Inverted Mendelian inheritance? ;D Right. I also have Mrs. Benson with 50/50 PL to RL. I'm tempted to just throw them all out. These have to be stray seeds. Either something I messed up or something got mixed up before the seeds were sent to me. I'm really careful at planting time. Actually, I plant seeds like I am doing lab work and am very clean and meticulous. I make a label before I sow. I cover the seed in the cell with potting mix before I start another one. I keep a piece of cardboard over most of the other cells while I am planting seeds. There is never more than one package open at any given time. I always double check the last planting before I move on to the next. I used to have a nursery and if you sell someone plants that are not true to variety, you will not have happy customers so I have always taken extra measures to insure accuracy of cultivars. It's possible this is my fault, but I still suspect bad trades. I would love to discuss this with the people I traded with or with Carolyn but a few months ago I sent a private message to a member at the other site telling them about a discussion on breeding at this site. The next day I was unable to log in after the owner of that site read my PM. Childish and quite unsavory to read someone's private message. Even so, since I don't have any history with either site or the people that frequent them, nor did I know that I couldn't send a private message talking about breeding, I would have thought that a warning would have been in order before being tossed out. If I was someone that valued my reputation such as a breeder, writer, blogger, seed business and/or other noteworthy tomatophile I would not want to be associated or in any way participate at a website where your trust and privacy are so blatantly violated. Activity like that cannot sustain itself and sooner or later it is going to 'hit the fan' and those that are aligned with that site are going to be covered in the same stink. I wish everyone could just act like adults on ALL of these forums. Intelligent people can have different opinions and even disagreements and still be friends without trash talking, banning, whining, etc. I defer to Rodney King. Sorry to hijack my own thread.
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Post by jcm05 on Mar 27, 2011 12:24:38 GMT -5
Well said Steve. There has been a blatant disregard for privacy at the site you speak of for years. Many have suffered the same fate as you there. As for the green giant, like I said I can send you some next season if you want.
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Post by grunt on Mar 27, 2011 13:39:10 GMT -5
I would take it that a site that was so afraid of having its members talk about other sites that they banned people for doing so was just too chickensh*t to associate with in the first place, but that's just my opinion. And how "I got no life" do you have to be to have the time to even think of looking at others PM's on a site?
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hillbillypie
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 29, 2011 20:41:08 GMT -5
Well Grunt, I like your opinion.
Thanks for the offer on the seed, but I think I am going to buy a plant this year instead of waiting until next.
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