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Post by hillbillypie on Apr 4, 2011 11:07:20 GMT -5
My seedlings look like Cilantro instead of tomatoes. I don't recall looking at them before I transplanted them, so I have no idea if I had a mix of stem color as well. I sent seed to a few people but I never heard if anyone planted them or not. It should be an interesting grow and I am looking forward to see if it sets fruit when the relative humidity and temp are both in the 90's here.
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Post by hillbillypie on Apr 4, 2011 11:01:20 GMT -5
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Post by hillbillypie on Apr 1, 2011 13:09:30 GMT -5
I don't know how to answer the question about my "source". Funny how some of the "tomato experts" never have to answer this question. The reason I can't answer is that I don't remember. I just know it in the same way that I know what an aphid is or what the N-P-K numbers mean. I have been growing tomatoes even before there was a Cherokee Purple and Al Gore invented the Internet. I have studied a lot of info about tomatoes over the last 2 decades. Mostly what I was interested in was isolated L. esculentum populations and Lycopersicum species and not as much about widely cultivated or heirloom varieties. Because of the high heat and humidity we experience where I live, anything to do with a tomato (or other food crop) that comes from a humid tropical region would get my attention. It was a scientific interest that I have enjoyed off and on for quite some time. I have read more papers on plants than I care to think about and I don't remember where I read everything that I have knowledge of. If I was guessing it was probably something that was written by someone from the U of Hawaii, but it just as easily could have been an old paper from Ohio State or from the Florida State program. I just don't remember. Soren I have no beef with you and I wasn't trying to start a pissing contest. I basically said the same thing you said, just used a different example. It was a tongue in cheek silly comment and I apologize for offending you. My opinion is that people do this all the time. For some reason it is allowed at times and frowned upon at others. It mostly depends on who is doing the naming and again points to the ridiculous hypocrisy within this hobby. I really don't care. I don't have a dog in this fight. I was only trying to share a bit of info that I had that seemed to be missing from what was posted. I said what I know to be true. If you don't believe it, then perhaps you are right and I am wrong. It is always a possibility that what I know is wrong. I don't want to be "that guy" and certainly don't want to be known as a "know it all". I actually thought someone would WANT to know that this variety was probably a mispronounced or misspelled name. You know like that Elton John song, "hold me closer Tony Danza" ? I assure you that I will not interject what I think I might know into any more posts. Best of luck and I hope your Kamatis Tagalog fills your garden with fruit. In the words of Pink Floyd, "we don't need no education, we don't need no birth control"....umm.... at least that's what I heard. I'm out of this conversation.
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Post by hillbillypie on Apr 1, 2011 11:05:58 GMT -5
Lee thanks for the info. That's good to know. After hearing that I am hoping that what I am growing is an F1 from Green Giant.
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Post by hillbillypie on Apr 1, 2011 11:01:31 GMT -5
This doesn't really look viral to me. I have seen similar leaf damage to this on tender perennials that were greenhouse grown and then planted too early in the season. Very light, but non-killing frost damage can look exactly like the leaves in your picture. The damage does not appear at first but shows up much later in the season. I have also seen a similar leaf problem on some trees that had aphid damage. The aphids appeared on the buds before the trees leafs had emerged. When the leafs emerged there did not appear to be any problems but later in the season as the leafs matured they started to have that same curled look as the ones in your photo.
I think the problem with the leaves and the problem with the fruit are going to be two different things.
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Post by hillbillypie on Apr 1, 2011 10:19:40 GMT -5
I like the name Britney so when I get mine I am calling it Britney. I also thought Brandywine sounded gay so I am now calling those "Chuck".
PM me if anyone needs seeds of "Chuck".
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 30, 2011 8:11:17 GMT -5
I think it is somewhat problematic that people always assume that they have found some unique, lost heirloom when they visit markets in other countries. That would be like visiting a Amish farmer and assuming that everything he grows are Amish heirlooms ;D I think there are lots of people that see "finding" a tomato as their chance at some kind of fame(or maintaining it?). I am still scratching my head as to why some people are allowed to do this and others are not. Either you care or you don't care. It should not depend on the person. ...I'm beginning to sound like Yoda...
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 29, 2011 20:41:08 GMT -5
Well Grunt, I like your opinion.
Thanks for the offer on the seed, but I think I am going to buy a plant this year instead of waiting until next.
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 29, 2011 20:27:24 GMT -5
I'm growing a cerasaforme variety called "Quirigua" and a stabilized cross of L. esculentum X L. peruvianum. These were really hard to germinate. I failed a few times before I finally got a few to pop. They are tiny tiny plants. I have a few things in mind, but who knows what will be blooming at any given time.
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 29, 2011 20:18:51 GMT -5
Some of the seed didn't "feel" right to me. However, I had good germination rates on everything except #139, 3/10 and #36 2/10.
I didn't get any #127...hmmmm....
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 29, 2011 20:08:27 GMT -5
can one make blood of a tiger juice with them? Only if you have Adonis DNA.
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 29, 2011 20:05:31 GMT -5
When you put the original Russian name in original Russian text into an online translator it comes out as Japanese Black Truffle. How the Trifele came about is unimaginable.
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 27, 2011 11:43:47 GMT -5
I just wanted Green Giant. I have enough projects for the year. A lot of what I am growing are segregating grow outs. It's possible that this is not a hybrid. Someone could have sent me seed for Green ________ or _________ Giant and I won't know until next year when I grow out the seed from these. It's not over either. I have more surprises. I have Stump of the World growing 75% PL and 25% RL. Inverted Mendelian inheritance? ;D Right. I also have Mrs. Benson with 50/50 PL to RL. I'm tempted to just throw them all out. These have to be stray seeds. Either something I messed up or something got mixed up before the seeds were sent to me. I'm really careful at planting time. Actually, I plant seeds like I am doing lab work and am very clean and meticulous. I make a label before I sow. I cover the seed in the cell with potting mix before I start another one. I keep a piece of cardboard over most of the other cells while I am planting seeds. There is never more than one package open at any given time. I always double check the last planting before I move on to the next. I used to have a nursery and if you sell someone plants that are not true to variety, you will not have happy customers so I have always taken extra measures to insure accuracy of cultivars. It's possible this is my fault, but I still suspect bad trades. I would love to discuss this with the people I traded with or with Carolyn but a few months ago I sent a private message to a member at the other site telling them about a discussion on breeding at this site. The next day I was unable to log in after the owner of that site read my PM. Childish and quite unsavory to read someone's private message. Even so, since I don't have any history with either site or the people that frequent them, nor did I know that I couldn't send a private message talking about breeding, I would have thought that a warning would have been in order before being tossed out. If I was someone that valued my reputation such as a breeder, writer, blogger, seed business and/or other noteworthy tomatophile I would not want to be associated or in any way participate at a website where your trust and privacy are so blatantly violated. Activity like that cannot sustain itself and sooner or later it is going to 'hit the fan' and those that are aligned with that site are going to be covered in the same stink. I wish everyone could just act like adults on ALL of these forums. Intelligent people can have different opinions and even disagreements and still be friends without trash talking, banning, whining, etc. I defer to Rodney King. Sorry to hijack my own thread.
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 27, 2011 11:29:47 GMT -5
Some of the older canning varieties I have tried have a very strong rich quality to them not found in later varieties (especially when firmness and cracking came to play). This quality is not going to be like a Brandywine which sides to sweet but rather that quality one finds concentrated in sauce, pastes, soups or ketchup. This is a very good point. Some of these canners are quite tasty. It would be a worthwhile project for someone to do some side by side grow outs of some of these older canners to see which ones hold up best to disease resistance and have good taste. I know taste is subjective, but not completely. Commercial varieties usually have a short life span of less than a decade before they are replaced with a newer variety. Some of these forgotten kinds could be very good.
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Post by hillbillypie on Mar 27, 2011 11:21:45 GMT -5
I asked a question at Mr. Wagners new website that only required a one word answer. That was more than 3 weeks ago. I suspect you/we/I are on our own with the seeds they sold.
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