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Post by willyswoodpile on Apr 8, 2011 18:02:07 GMT -5
When I get my seeds from Fedco I will give some to those who would be interested in doing a side-by-side.
Terry
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Post by jcm05 on Apr 8, 2011 18:20:56 GMT -5
I don't care which line I have. The fact remains that its one of my top five tomatoes.
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Post by surf4grrl on Apr 8, 2011 18:21:22 GMT -5
Just as a quick question, and perhaps a caveat - why are you copying and posting someone's quotes from another site.
As innocuous as it may seem, first it's out of context and a non-sequitur and second, folks here, including myself, have a problem with quotes being copied and pasted elsewhere.
Is this thread necessary with this quote?
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Post by willyswoodpile on Apr 8, 2011 19:38:25 GMT -5
Just as a quick question, and perhaps a caveat - why are you copying and posting someone's quotes from another site. For the same reason I would copy and paste a "quote" from Charles Dickens, to give credit where credit is due. What are you talking about? You are waaaaaay off base here. I posted this thread so you could have the [supposed] information for the original line of the Black Cherry. What you do with it is up to you. Terry
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Post by sunflowers on Apr 9, 2011 8:35:35 GMT -5
Back to what I think is the point of this thread -- Just what is the supposed difference between what TGS sells and what Fedco sells ?? I got seeds from TGS about 3 or 4 years ago and personally I think it's great. Other than the fact that it splits even more than Sun Gold does. But the flavor is so great that I had customers near the end of the season last year buy even the splits. Carol
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Post by PVP on Apr 9, 2011 18:47:16 GMT -5
Just as a quick question, and perhaps a caveat - why are you copying and posting someone's quotes from another site. As innocuous as it may seem, first it's out of context and a non-sequitur and second, folks here, including myself, have a problem with quotes being copied and pasted elsewhere. Is this thread necessary with this quote? What quote? What's missing here? Has something been deleted from the original post in this thread?
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Post by PVP on Apr 9, 2011 18:51:25 GMT -5
What are you talking about? You are waaaaaay off base here. I posted this thread so you could have the [supposed] information for the original line of the Black Cherry. What "original line?" Certainly you're not saying that Fedco has the original line of Black Cherry while Tomato Growers Supply does not? Linda Sapp's late husband and former co-owner of Tomato Growers Supply is the man who bred and stabilized Black Cherry. What's Fedco got to do with "original?" Please explain. Otherwise, I agree, this thread is rather vague as to premise.
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Post by PVP on Apr 9, 2011 19:15:49 GMT -5
Okay, are you referring to this quote, which for some reason does not appear at the top of this thread, so I am only guessing:
"There are a number of Black Cherry variations going around in the commercial world and few are correct. It was developed by Vince Sapp and released in 2003 with few people growing it. I got seeds for it in 2004 from a grower who had grown it in 2003. They were indeed black. Unfortuneately, Vince Sapp died suddenly in 2006 and left a bit of a mess via codes known only to him. His wife took over but there were a lot of seed batches that she could only guess at. Black Cherry was no doubt one of them. I grew mine out again in 2006 and it was the same stable version that existed in 2003 and 2004 from the original release. Seed from 2006 was given to a Fedco contract grower in Wisconsin who grew it out as again black. Fedco then offered it in 2008 and probably still do. I grew the 2006 seed in 2008 and still black. If you got the seed anywhere else except Fedco, you quite probably did not get seed which came from the original release but possibly something from a totally different line which Vince Sapp was working on." Martin [Homesteading Today; posted 8/13/10]
First of all, this is Martin's opinion, to which he is entitled, but for which he offers no solid proof, to wit: Vince Sapp died suddenly in 2006 and left a bit of a mess via codes known only to him. His wife took over but there were a lot of seed batches that she could only guess at. Black Cherry was no doubt one of them.[/u] Where's the proof of this otherwise outrageous statement?
Secondly, many of us here have been growing Black Cherry from seeds originally acquired prior to 2006, from Tomato Growers Supply while Vince Sapp still was alive and in charge of the seed stock.
Lastly, if people are growing Black Cherry from other sources and getting inferior expressions, that's a shame. But let's discuss this based on fact and not hearsay.
I'm happy that Martin had the prophetic inspiration to send those "original" seeds to Fedco. Likewise, I'm also happy that others who have been growing this tomato for many years from TGS seeds still grow the "original line" as well.
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Post by willyswoodpile on Apr 9, 2011 19:37:08 GMT -5
Just as a quick question, and perhaps a caveat - why are you copying and posting someone's quotes from another site. As innocuous as it may seem, first it's out of context and a non-sequitur and second, folks here, including myself, have a problem with quotes being copied and pasted elsewhere. Is this thread necessary with this quote? What quote? What's missing here? Has something been deleted from the original post in this thread? Yes, I deleted the quote from a thread discussing the Black Cherry tomato over at NJT.
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Post by PVP on Apr 9, 2011 20:00:22 GMT -5
Well, as you can see from reading Martin's latest version of "The History of Real Black Cherry" at Not Just Tomatoes that he has changed the wording ever so cleverly from how it appeared last year in Homesteading Today so that 1) once again only Martin has the original of a highly valued variety, and 2) no one else ever had a chance to acquire it unless they got it directly from the hand of its Creator or alternately via his holiness, John the Baptist of Tomatoes.
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Post by frogsleapfarm on Apr 9, 2011 20:34:19 GMT -5
BZ Cherry x Black Cherry F1 - great taste. I'm hoping to keep the great flavor and improved tolerance to splitting in a few striped F2 lines. Attachments:
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Post by willyswoodpile on Apr 9, 2011 20:59:26 GMT -5
What are you talking about? You are waaaaaay off base here. I posted this thread so you could have the [supposed] information for the original line of the Black Cherry. What "original line?" Certainly you're not saying that Fedco has the original line of Black Cherry while Tomato Growers Supply does not? Linda Sapp's late husband and former co-owner of Tomato Growers Supply is the man who bred and stabilized Black Cherry. What's Fedco got to do with "original?" Please explain. Otherwise, I agree, this thread is rather vague as to premise. I have no idea. I only posted what I read at NJT. I have no opinion one way or another. As you all know that I am new to growing and breeding tomatoes, and I always digress to everybody else here as I am the least experienced. I have made my home here on TTG as I discerned that this was the place where the most knowledgeable and likable people ultimately reside: whether or not they post on other forums. In reading the story from Martin, I obviously believed him wholeheartedly. I was not privy to other information that points to him as being a bit of a "tall tales and legends" kind of guy. Now I know, and I will file that into my memory banks. Thank you everybody for setting me straight.
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Post by PVP on Apr 9, 2011 21:44:40 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not saying Martin is telling lies or whatever. I'm just saying when you make such broad statements about Linda Sapp, TGS and her late husband, come with something to back it up. Otherwise it comes off as self-serving bullpucky.
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Post by jcm05 on Apr 10, 2011 6:20:30 GMT -5
I have no idea. I only posted what I read at NJT. That was problem #1 Terry. ;D I realy wouldn't worry about this thread. PV's comments are not directed at you. Martin has a habit of posting brash, opinionated gibberish on many of the boards but refuses to post here. Mostly because he knows he will be called out. This thread has come to give some good information. I however, do not believe for a second that there are separate lines out there. My opinion is it can be chalked up to environmental conditions. Unlike MANY other varieties (ie Green Doctors, etc) that have been distributed long before being stable which results in differences in the breed. I have grown black cherry since 06. I unfortunately do not recall my original source for the seeds but as I already stated it is consistent and fantastic every year. If anyone would like some they can PM me.
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Post by elkwc on Apr 10, 2011 9:40:52 GMT -5
I hesitated to add a comment but will add my experience. I've grown BC from several different sources including PV and JT if memory serves me correctly from this forum along with seeds from Martin. My first seeds came from PV and JT the first year again going by memory and not checking my records. Then I saw Martin post his opinion and decided to grow his for comparison. I noticed no difference between the 3. I did notice a difference in size and taste when growing BC from seeds from a vendor. I know some vendors contract other growers to produce seeds for them. And in my opinion the difference may be attributed to that. I feel overall that most sources of BC are the same. But with so many selling seeds now there is a possibility of a mishap with any variety in my opinion. Jay
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