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Post by darthslater on Oct 19, 2010 20:59:57 GMT -5
Hello ladies and gentlemen, I would like to take some time to clear up a few misconceptions about TTG. First of all, this forum is for ALL tomato people weather you grow 2 or 2000. We are an organization of tomato lovers first of all, and perhaps a little scientific second. You can do far more here than is acceptable on other signifficantly more stringent sites. We welcome your questions as well as comments, we love you to post, but it is not required. The only stupid questions are the ones not asked. we do grow other things also, that is what the other threads are for { Other Food Crops}. We do keep our threads to a minimum so as not to lose sight of the fact that its about gardening. we do not want to have 24 threads that deal with things that have nothing to do with our goals, as breeders and growers. If you have anything to contribute please dont be afraid to share, this is a site for all. I guess that about sums it up, enjoy yourselves and welcome to all the new people. Thank You, Darth
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carolyn137
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Post by carolyn137 on Oct 20, 2010 6:57:12 GMT -5
The only stupid questions are the ones not asked.
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Dean, those are THE exact words that I've used as my mantra since I first starting posting online in 1989 about gardening in general and tomatoes more specifically at several message sites, too many to name , some I left, some I stayed, for various reasons.
Another point I'd like to make is that through the years I found that folks would contact me personally via PM or e-mail, whatever, even by phone, to ask questions. And for many years I would try to answer those questions but about 8 years ago I stopped doing that, with few exceptions.
It's ALWAYS best to ask questions publicaly, in fact I feel very strongly that ALL questions and ALL answers should be posted publicaly b/c the more answers to a given question the better and no one should rely just on the answers of one person.
Yesterday I received an e-mail from someone I don't know at all, and where the person got my e-mail address from I don't know and where this person posts I don't know, but it had an attachment with about 50 varieties and I was being asked to comment on them as to taste and performance.
That's the kind of info that I think should be asked of lots of folks wherever that person posts.
I haven't yet downloaded the attachment.
Tomato folks in general I've found to not be shy, but I do know that some are afraid to post questions b'c they think they might look silly or dumb, or stupid or whatever.
But look on the postive side and that's that I'm still seeing questions being asked that are great ones that I've never seen asked before. And it's always good to remember that every one of us that grows and loves tomatoes started out as newbies at one time.
So again I say:
The only stupid questions are those not asked.
Carolyn
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Oct 20, 2010 7:39:37 GMT -5
I ask Stupid Questions all the time. If I didn't ask Stupid Questions, I wouldn't have anything to say
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Post by ozarklady on Oct 20, 2010 16:22:09 GMT -5
At least, you can figure out a question, dumb or otherwise. A lot of the time, I look at the pictures!
And even then is it gold, yellow or orange, I still don't get that one.
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bammer
Tomato Fanatic
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Post by bammer on Oct 20, 2010 17:50:20 GMT -5
At least, you can figure out a question, dumb or otherwise. A lot of the time, I look at the pictures! And even then is it gold, yellow or orange, I still don't get that one. Oh Lord, Please don't stir up the Darthman on this one again. Lets remember It's yellow or it's orange
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Post by stepheninky on Oct 20, 2010 18:38:09 GMT -5
Repeat after me three times there is no such thing as a gold tomato.
Ok to be fair women and men have different versions of color so here is a color guide for Men to use to translate women colors.
WHITE: Big trick! There is snow white, ivory, antique, oyster, cream, winter white, appliance white, and a zillion more. Off-white -- there's a funny one. Just be careful when you're in white territory.
BLACK: Much safer than white but watch out for very dark blues which are decidedly not "black."
GRAY: Trickier than white, there are warm grays (brownish or pinkish or mauvish) and cool grays (bluish or sometimes referring to neutral grays). Then there are greenish grays which, I have just been told, are "very critical." Grays are tricky. Sorry I can't be of more help.
CHARCOAL: Dark-to-medium gray. Lighter than the color of new charcoal, darker than the color of charcoal ash.
SILVERY: Different from "silver," refers to a sheen. any color can have a silvery quality, except brown, which is not permitted to be silvery.
RUST: An easy color. Unfortunately, it is very out right now.
BEIGE: Very light brown, reallll close to off-white
COCOA: Light-medium brown
CHOCOLATE: Milk chocolate, they mean
MAHOGANY: Why can't they all be this easy?
LILAC: Light purple, but not lavender
LAVENDER: Light purple, but not lilac
ORCHID: Purple
VIOLET: Purple
GRAPE: Dark purple
INDIGO: Very dark purple
MAUVE: A subdued pinkish grayish purple-like color. or, light pink with a silvery quality. Good luck with this one.
CARNATION: Bubble gum pink
MAGENTA: Bright reddish-pink
FUSCHIA: Bright purple-pink
HOT PINK: Really bright pink
ROSE: "Roses are red..." Wrong. Rose is dark pink.
SCARLET: Major red
RED: A trick. There are orange reds (think of a tomato) and bluish reds (think raspberry). Women are very sensitive to nuances in red (look at the lipstick display in the drug store, if you dare). Picking between shades of red is too advanced for most of us.
BURGUNDY: Dark purple-red
MAROON: very dark red
BRICK: They mean red bricks
PUMPKIN: Slightly brownish orange
FOOTBALL: If levolor would use some names like this, maybe we would willingly help pick out new blinds
TANGERINE: Red-orange
PEACH: Light orange. You would not eat a peach this pale.
MANGO: Bright melon
SALMON: Orange
TROUT: Why isn't there a color "trout?" It would even be silvery.
MELON: Who makes up these names? This one means light orange, the color of the inside of a cantaloupe. You're supposed to know this?
AUTUMN GOLD: Yellow-Orange, to us.
HARVEST GOLD: Yellow-Orange, to us.
LEMON: Yes! It's yellow! You're getting the hang of this.
GOLD: Cub Scout yellow
GOLDENROD: Yellow. Look at the state flower for a hint.
STANLEY YELLOW: Or Caterpillar tractor yellow. Why can't they use terms like these?
CHARTREUSE: Very bright green
LIME GREEN: Green
KELLY GREEN: Major green
AVOCADO: Darker than the inside, lighter than the outside. Actually, the green color they used for appliances in the sixties.
OLIVE: Army green
FOREST GREEN: Dark green
SEA GREEN: Turquoise (dark teal, for you advanced color captains)
TURQUOISE: Blue-green
MINT GREEN: Dark sea foam
AQUA: Light turquoise
SEA FOAM: Lighter turquoise, a bit more green
BABY BLUE: Light blue
CYAN: Sky blue
POWDER BLUE: Light blue. You have never seen powder this color.
TEAL: Thank you, San Jose Sharks, for teaching us one damn color.
MAKITA BLUE: Throw that in a color conversation sometime. There is no woman-name for this exact shade but we know what it is. Ha!
CORNFLOWER: Blue-purple
PERIWINKLE: Blue. Cornflower, teal, and periwinkle are pretty in, and have been for some time. The difference between them is pretty subtle and your y-chromosome prevents you from safely discussing these in any depth. I suggest you nod knowingly and suggest something a little more silvery.
NAVY: Dark blue
MIDNIGHT BLUE: Darker blue
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Post by darthslater on Oct 20, 2010 20:16:32 GMT -5
Nicely done, and very correct, now these will not be as hard to apply to the new common sense tomato system since there are less colors to deal with.
Darth
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Post by starlight1153 on Oct 21, 2010 5:13:43 GMT -5
That was cute. ;D Laughing my head off as you have it about right for sure. I ask dumb questions all the time. Sometimes I have to ask them two or three times, before I can get my brain to wrap around the info too. It's not easy sometimes for new folks folks coming in, especially to a specialized forum. You may love tomatoes, but are way behind in years and experience of the folks already on the forums. I remember when I first wanted to grow tomatoes, I had bought two seed packets. They were what most folks called common ones. I watched people post pics of so many gorgeous tomatoes and wanted to try them too. If it wouldn't have been for one kind soul, I probably wouldn't even have the few different varieties I do. One of my most stupid questions was, " How do you save the seed?" It wasn't until a few years ago and an experienced tomato grower being kind enough to post a step-by-step and detailed post on how to clean tomato seeds, myself and others would still be afraid to ever trade tomato seeds. I know til that post I never felt confident. Was always afraid of sending the experienced grower bad seeds and upsetting them. learnign to properly clean and save fruit s and veggies is not like saving flower seeds. There are a lot of folks that are shy, and like to hang on the wallpaper and read the tutorials from experienced/pro folks to learn. Same with learning to hybridize them. Thankfully there are some experienced/pros who I have seen on different sites over the years who haven't minded taking the time to sit and mentor folks who wanted learn. Patiently explaining over and over. If there was a little tip-my -hat off -to you smiley I would put a bunch of them. ;D There was a few people's names I recognized when I came here and my first thought's were Yes! at least I knew I or anybody else new coming in would feel comfortable asking any question even it it had been asked 100 times before and knew they would patiently answer everybody. It's like that old saying and it applies to tomatoes too. " Give a person a tomato and they eat for a day, teach them to grow it and they and others can eat for life." Over the years, just hanging out mainly, I have watched some of the folks on this forum now, from other forums, get into some good discussions. I have always been impressed by the professionalism with those discussions. Even when opinions have been different, respect and courtesy was always shown. Reading those discussions makes for good learning tools. Now, that I have rattled on and on and you have eye strain. Just want to add to any other newbies coming in, that they can find a good home hear and not to be afraid, that there are a lot of good helping hands here. You just have to ask.
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Post by ozarklady on Oct 21, 2010 6:25:09 GMT -5
I really liked the flavor of this tomato. I should have taken photos of the slices. They were mingled shades of orange and yellow with a gorgeous red spot at the center. So, what color is a tomato that has subtle shades of other colors mingled. And I don't mean splashes I mean more like skin is one color, flesh another, and center yet another? Would you call it a bi-color? How would you express it?
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Post by darthslater on Oct 21, 2010 7:08:08 GMT -5
That would be a bi-color did you get the name?
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Post by mawkhawk on Oct 21, 2010 7:11:54 GMT -5
I think that says "Hillbilly"
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Post by darthslater on Oct 21, 2010 7:43:59 GMT -5
Thanks Mawk, it is morning and I havent had my Hemlock tea yet. That would be a red and yellow tomato. Some like Orange Russian 117, have pink swirls in them.
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Post by ozarklady on Oct 21, 2010 12:39:33 GMT -5
Yes, it is a Hillbilly, I should have rotated the photo. That is how I quick tag them in the garden for bringing them in to ferment. Then there is no mistake made! Except reading my writing from the garden!
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rev11
New Member
Heavenly Tomato Grower
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Post by rev11 on Oct 21, 2010 16:01:16 GMT -5
I think that Darths way is the best, the color system has always been a factor for me, I bought one called Big White Pink Stripe, it was neither, it was a light yellow thing not GOLDEN light yellow. I was really dissapointed with Dixie Golden Giant ORANGE!!!! So there ios my 2 cents. Why are you folks calling Orange tomatos yellow?
REV GO DARTH!!
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PVP
Tomatophile
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Post by PVP on Oct 21, 2010 21:48:27 GMT -5
Gosh, Rev, I guess some of us in the congregation just ain't seen the light.
pv
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