THE PEOPLES FORUM (Warning - excessive rambling)

[PVP]

When I went out to get my newspaper this morning, my neighbor's Golden Retriever was urinating in my front yard. I did my neighbor a favor and shot his dog dead, I mean since the color was all wrong ... the fur, not the urine.


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[darthslater]

Oct 23, 2010 9:45:28 GMT -5 PVP said:

When I went out to get my newspaper this morning, my neighbor's Golden Retriever was urinating in my front yard. I did my neighbor a favor and shot his dog dead, I mean since the color was all wrong ... the fur, not the urine.


GGG

Orange retriever, and yellow river!!

[blane]

Speaking of Gold.....
This Gold Medal has stripes....Why?
Think I should save seeds from it?

[PVP]

Darth, pink is a color made by mixing red and white pigments. There are no pink tomatoes. What you may in error call a pink tomato in fact is a rose colored tomato or rosa.


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[darthslater]

;D, I hope your neighbor gets over you shooting his "Buff" Retriever.

[darthslater]

Oct 23, 2010 11:07:57 GMT -5 @blane said:

Speaking of Gold.....
This Gold Medal has stripes....Why?
Think I should save seeds from it?

Lets see when they are ripe, most of the time those go away.

[GunnarSK]

Isn't there a colour named "amber" either? I'm asking, because there are Polish commercial varieties Bursztyn and Jantar, which both translate to "amber".

[carolyn137]

Oct 24, 2010 6:39:59 GMT -5 GunnarSK said:

Isn't there a colour named "amber" either? I'm asking, because there are Polish commercial varieties Bursztyn and Jantar, which both translate to "amber".

Yes, there is a color called amber and most of the time I see it used when folks are describing the color of the blush that appears on most green when ripe tomato varieties.

There's also a variety called Amber that I grew years ago, but I don't remember where I got it from, the whole fruit at maturity was kinda of a muddy dull almost olive color ( had to add the olive color, ahem) but the taste was lousy. I know I still have seeds for that one in a vial somewhere.

Your typical amber color could be described by some as being a greenish/yellowish when used to describe a tomato color, but I don't think it comes anywheres near describing good amber as in the stone/gem.

I read a great book about the amber room in I think St Petersburg, and how it was dissembled and moved to protect the amber panels when WWII broke out and the search for that hiding place continues to this day.

I have some amber jewelry, mainly bought for the fossilized insects inside it and mine is that pure, ha, amber color, ha, but amber does come in different colors.

www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&q=amber+colors&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

But the color amber used to describe the color of a tomato is usually that dull greenish/yellow color and not the other darker colors shown in the above link.

Hope tht helps.

Carolyn

[darthslater]

See this is what I am talking about, and what I am out to eliminate..the old broken down color system. With the new "Common Sense" Code it will be easy, Purple, Yellow, Orange, Red, Pink and when I say pink I mean Pink and not purple and Green. If shades vary, which happens we will use the term "Light" or"Dark" EXAMPLE: so called gold tomatoes will be light orange , white will be light green or if they are older light yellow.
This will not be based on skin epidermis. It is a more tell it like it is code.
Alot of my customers tell me they buy plants and look at the description and it says Purple...they grow this out only to find a pink tomato, then they get upset!!
Good business for me, but misleading to others.
Brick red is a good description, for those border line brown tomatoes.
This system will be hard for those who have been using the old one to accept, because they have been doing it wrong for years and are used to it, change can be frightening...but it is comming all the same.

[carolyn137]

Oct 24, 2010 8:27:07 GMT -5 @darthslater said:

See this is what I am talking about, and what I am out to eliminate..the old broken down color system. With the new "Common Sense" Code it will be easy, Purple, Yellow, Orange, Red, Pink and when I say pink I mean Pink and not purple, Green. If shades vary, which happens we will use the term "Light" or"Dark" EXAMPLE: so called gold tomatoes will be light orange , white will be light green or if they are older light yellow.
This will not be based on skin epidermis. It is a more tell it like it is code.
Alot of my customers tell me they buy plants and look at the description and it says Purple...they grow this out only to find a pink tomato, then they get upset!!
Good business for me, but misleading to others.
Brick red is a good description, for those border line brown tomatoes.

When are you going to write your Tomato Color Book Dean?

And be sure to put in that book that the color of a fruit is not determined soley by the epidermis color.

A bit of trivia here but the color brick red that you just used was first used by Bill Ellis in describing the color of a polish variety that he found and distributed seeds for. That variety is expressed as Polish ( Ellis), to differentiate it from the other PL polish ones and it's the best of the Polish named ones that I've ever grown.

Red/orange/Yellow/Green /Blue Violet.

Seems to me that the Rainbow never did express the infinite shades of colors that make our world and everything in it so beautiful.

Carolyn

[darthslater]

Well Carolyn, I will ignore the condecending cut..as usual, but I am sure this is a needed change and will persue it with all Ive got. You would think someone with a degree would be smart enough to help fix something thats broke.
Epidermal layers are great for people with the patience to peel it, but for the average person, that doesnt know that they have to do this to tell them what color the tomato is....you see where this is going?
We dont sell tomatoes to just college grads, in fact most of my customers are just average high school level people.
they are the ones that buy 85% of all the seeds sold..so when you write purple on the package..then they damn well better be purple and not PINK!!!

This is a change that will benefit the craft not hurt it.

I am not about to spout light color, and spectrum to someone who is going to say.....whut? ...yeah thats fine tomato feller, i'll take is here orange one.

[stepheninky]

I know of at least one seed seller that list purple tomatoes but in the descriptions of those tomatoes they specify that the purple in the name actually means dark pink and that the tomato is not actually purple so that could be further proof that a simpler tomato color chart is needed. Some sellers also list their varieties by color as a way of sorting but I have never seen a gold or purple section. usually they are listed as red, yellow/orange, pink, black, green, and other.

[carolyn137]

Well Carolyn, I will ignore the condecending cut..as usual

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Dean, I think you're serious about that but I thought by now you'd get used to my style of writing b'c in no way was I trying to be condescending to you, or for that matter to anyone else.

Didn't you see the wink emoticon at the end of the sentence about you writing a tomato color book?

Sometimes I like to jest and be light hearted in my posts as I was with that comment, and I can't promise I won't continue doing it so please step back and realize that I'm not targeting you or anyone else with such comments, especially when set off by emoticons when I remember to use them, which I did in my post to you. I'm really a very nice person, my mother would say so, , but she's no longer on earth to say so, so I'll just ask you to lighten up a bit and go with the flow, yellow or not. ;D

Carolyn

[carolyn137]

Oct 24, 2010 10:43:48 GMT -5 stepheninky said:

I know of at least one seed seller that list purple tomatoes but in the descriptions of those tomatoes they specify that the purple in the name actually means dark pink and that the tomato is not actually purple so that could be further proof that a simpler tomato color chart is needed. Some sellers also list their varieties by color as a way of sorting but I have never seen a gold or purple section. usually they are listed as red, yellow/orange, pink, black, green, and other.

Stephen, the word purple was once used by many folks up to maybe about 1920 to indicate pink, not just dark pink but all shades of pink.

So that's why you see so many varieties with the word Purple as part of the variety name and even those folks who introduced varieties more recently often use purple to mean pink.

Other than the purple smudges seen on the original variety Purple Smudge and Orange Fleshed Purple Smudge, the only two varieties that I know that have anything resembling purple are Purple Calabash and Noire des Cosebeauf, and while the latter is especially beautiful with scalloped shoulders, I can't recommend either one to others based on taste, as I experience it; just too darn aggressive for me.

Carolyn

[stepheninky]

Oct 24, 2010 11:54:09 GMT -5 carolyn137 said:

Oct 24, 2010 10:43:48 GMT -5 stepheninky said:

I know of at least one seed seller that list purple tomatoes but in the descriptions of those tomatoes they specify that the purple in the name actually means dark pink and that the tomato is not actually purple so that could be further proof that a simpler tomato color chart is needed. Some sellers also list their varieties by color as a way of sorting but I have never seen a gold or purple section. usually they are listed as red, yellow/orange, pink, black, green, and other.

Stephen, the word purple was once used by many folks up to maybe about 1920 to indicate pink, not just dark pink but all shades of pink.

So that's why you see so many varieties with the word Purple as part of the variety name and even those folks who introduced varieties more recently often use purple to mean pink.

Other than the purple smudges seen on the original variety Purple Smudge and Orange Fleshed Purple Smudge, the only two varieties that I know that have anything resembling purple are Purple Calabash and Noire des Cosebeauf, and while the latter is especially beautiful with scalloped shoulders, I can't recommend either one to others based on taste, as I experience it; just too darn aggressive for me.

Carolyn

I understand that the purple used to mean pink, like prudence purple is a pink, but by description alone it is not a clear indicator of the tomatoes actual true color, kinda like people naming tomatoes golden when they are actually yellow. I really do not care what the name is as much its the descriptions that I think should be more simplified color wise. If we were to go by the thousands of colors Purple Calabash would actually be more of an Orchid color to me, Tatiana's list it as a purple/brown/pink fruit with green shoulders, which to me is a more accurate and simpler way to describe it. I think that is all we are saying.